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ref18 Thu Jun 07, 2007 07:56pm

Criminal Background Checks
 
OK, within this past few weeks, I learned that one of our officials in our province was arrested and charged with a very serious offense. Let's just say, now this official is not someone you'd want around kids.

I'm just curious as to if any officials are subject to criminal background checks before officiating?

I have a feeling that within the next year or two it will be mandatory for us. Just wondering if anyone else has to get them, and if so...who eats the cost of them.

At $40 a pop in my area, it's not something I'm too keen on doing, not that I have something to hide, I just don't think it's necessary as we really have no isolated contact with children. All our contact with the kids is in public, so the possibility of us doing something bad would be basically nil.

MJT Thu Jun 07, 2007 08:14pm

Last year it became mandatory at our church if you were going to teach Sunday School. It will be interesting to see if it does become something that happens in officiating. I see it happening for teachers and coaches before officials, but you never know.

ref18 Thu Jun 07, 2007 08:18pm

We actually had a bill in the provincial house that would've mandated sports officials get criminal checks, however the house was adjourned for the legislative session before the bill got out of committee so it died.

I wonder if after the election they're going to try and revive the bill.

Not like it would've made a difference in this situation, the background check would've come clean as it's his first offence.

SWFLguy Thu Jun 07, 2007 08:37pm

It has been law here in Florida for the past couple of years. I just had
mine renewed and is good until 2012, well past my intended retirement from high school football officiating.
It is a minor annoyance to me. A real molester/kidnapper would not go to all the trouble of becoming an official. Read the news, they simply pick a kid off in a mall parking lot or at a school bus drop off.
I'm guessing that in time it will fade away. Just my 2¢ worth.

Jim D Fri Jun 08, 2007 09:24am

I know Florida went through this hassle last year. I'm not sure how an official who shows up at a game maybe once a year and is only around kids when they are in front of a crowd of parents and friends (who have their eyes glued on their little darlings) could be considered a creditable threat but such is politics.

JRutledge Fri Jun 08, 2007 10:40am

You cannot maintain your license in the state of Illinois (IHSA) without getting agreeing to a yearly background check.

Peace

Jim D Fri Jun 08, 2007 10:49am

Is that a new requirement for Illinois? We have worked games in Illinois in the past (2005) and didn't need it then. How much do they charge for this check?

JRutledge Sat Jun 09, 2007 01:05am

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Originally Posted by Jim D
Is that a new requirement for Illinois? We have worked games in Illinois in the past (2005) and didn't need it then. How much do they charge for this check?

In order to maintain your license you have to agree to a background check. It is the same thing put on every renewal form with the state or even the online renewal. This has been the same thing for almost 8 or 9 years. There is no special charge, this is apart of the renewal process.

Peace

grantsrc Sat Jun 09, 2007 08:35am

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Originally Posted by Jim D
Is that a new requirement for Illinois? We have worked games in Illinois in the past (2005) and didn't need it then. How much do they charge for this check?

Jim,
Did you know that we are going to start getting background checks in our area? I didn't realize that until I saw it in the most recent MSHSAA Journal. I wonder if we are going to be required to pay for it?!?

Canfootball52 Sat Jun 09, 2007 03:21pm

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Originally Posted by ref18
We actually had a bill in the provincial house that would've mandated sports officials get criminal checks, however the house was adjourned for the legislative session before the bill got out of committee so it died.

I wonder if after the election they're going to try and revive the bill.

Not like it would've made a difference in this situation, the background check would've come clean as it's his first offence.


There's been some discussion about background checks for officials in Manitoba as well. I'm not sure of the details.

I think it's a good idea. Especially at the lower levels. Being a father myself, I would not want just anyone officiating or coaching my daughter's Soccer games. Before I could coach my dauther's Soccer team last year, the Community Club did a Criminal Record Check, and Child Abuse Registry Check. The C.C ate the cost.

They should start to consider Criminal Record checks for some fans too. A couple of weeks ago, a local High School Soccer Official was attacked by Players, Coaches, and Fans of one of the Teams

JugglingReferee Mon Jun 11, 2007 08:19am

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Originally Posted by Canfootball52
There's been some discussion about background checks for officials in Manitoba as well. I'm not sure of the details.

I think it's a good idea. Especially at the lower levels. Being a father myself, I would not want just anyone officiating or coaching my daughter's Soccer games. Before I could coach my daughter's Soccer team last year, the Community Club did a Criminal Record Check, and Child Abuse Registry Check. The C.C ate the cost.

They should start to consider Criminal Record checks for some fans too. A couple of weeks ago, a local High School Soccer Official was attacked by Players, Coaches, and Fans of one of the Teams

The negative part that I see from the criminal checks si that it will deter some officials from continuing to officiate if they also need to pay for the service of having a check done.

Don't get me wrong: I have no problems with the concept of the police checks. However, the person mentioned in the OP had a clean police record, and even had an exemplary work record.

Maybe a person just needs to have a check done every 2 years as a normal part of life and presents it when asked for. To referee groups, to coaching groups, for volunteering, for work, for this, for that.....

TXMike Tue Jun 12, 2007 09:25am

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Originally Posted by ref18
At $40 a pop in my area, it's not something I'm too keen on doing, not that I have something to hide, I just don't think it's necessary as we really have no isolated contact with children. All our contact with the kids is in public, so the possibility of us doing something bad would be basically nil.

The local jail or prison in your area has a program where they are trying to rehabilitate convicted guys and they know there is a shortage of officials so they begin a sports officiating outreach where they train and provide officials free of charge to local groups. The officials are guys convicted of a variety of criminal offenses. You would be okay with them working your kid's games because you would be there to observe them? Not me.

Jim D Tue Jun 12, 2007 09:42am

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Originally Posted by TXMike
The local jail or prison in your area has a program where they are trying to rehabilitate convicted guys and they know there is a shortage of officials so they begin a sports officiating outreach where they train and provide officials free of charge to local groups. The officials are guys convicted of a variety of criminal offenses. You would be okay with them working your kid's games because you would be there to observe them? Not me.

I understand you're making up an exagerated senario to make a point, but let's put it this way - if these guys were ever going to be near kids, I prefer it to be on a football field on a Friday night in front of a couple of hundred/thousand sets of eyes. I'm not sure how a football official can be a realistic danger to kids who are helmeted and padded to the nth degree with all of the parents and fans watching them.

The money and time that would be spent of background checks would be better spent elsewhere protecting kids. I don't have a problem with the checks in general, I'd just put officials on the absolute bottom of the priority list.

Canfootball52 Tue Jun 12, 2007 11:04am

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Originally Posted by Jim D
I understand you're making up an exagerated senario to make a point, but let's put it this way - if these guys were ever going to be near kids, I prefer it to be on a football field on a Friday night in front of a couple of hundred/thousand sets of eyes. I'm not sure how a football official can be a realistic danger to kids who are helmeted and padded to the nth degree with all of the parents and fans watching them.

The money and time that would be spent of background checks would be better spent elsewhere protecting kids. I don't have a problem with the checks in general, I'd just put officials on the absolute bottom of the priority list.

I think it should be at the top of the priority list. For the Official's protection. Where I live a Criminal Check is $10. Consideiring I make an average of $30+/game, and work 30+games/year, I think I can afford the expense.
Sports Officials aren't the most popular people in the world. Anything they say or do can and could be used against them. While most Officials would not intentionally cop-a-feel with so many people watching, there are times during a game where an Official will accidentally make physical contact with a player. The parents may see that, and misinterpret it as molestation. If the background checks were done, then the Official can be protected by showing that he has a clean record, and did not intentionally mean to make contact with the player.
For example I've had players approach me and ask for help adjusting shoulder pads when the pad is sticking outside the jersey. At the Umpire position, players may bump into you. The natural reaction is to put your hands out to protect yourself. Anything can be misinterpreted. The article posted at the link below may be one of those times where a touch by the Official was misinterpreted as unacceptable.

http://www.venturacountystar.com/new...ng-four-girls/

TXMike Tue Jun 12, 2007 12:10pm

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Originally Posted by Jim D
I understand you're making up an exagerated senario to make a point, but let's put it this way - if these guys were ever going to be near kids, I prefer it to be on a football field on a Friday night in front of a couple of hundred/thousand sets of eyes. I'm not sure how a football official can be a realistic danger to kids who are helmeted and padded to the nth degree with all of the parents and fans watching them.

The money and time that would be spent of background checks would be better spent elsewhere protecting kids. I don't have a problem with the checks in general, I'd just put officials on the absolute bottom of the priority list.

When it comes to child sexual predators, there are many things that can bring them perverted pleasure that you or I would not even give a 2d thought to. Read some of the interviews that have been done with such folks over the years and you will be amazed at some of what can cause them to get their rocks off. They should be nowhere near a kid.

But I also think other convicted felons should not be allowed near the kids either even though they might not be a sexual threat. If you are a convicted felon you lose certain rights and privileges. Officiating should just be another one of them.

Texas Aggie Tue Jun 12, 2007 02:35pm

I think its more of a problem at the youth level (i.e. under jr. high) than it would be at the levels that most of us work through associations. That said, I'm certainly not against any kind of check.

grantsrc Wed Jun 13, 2007 08:43am

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Originally Posted by Texas Aggie
I think its more of a problem at the youth level (i.e. under jr. high) than it would be at the levels that most of us work through associations. That said, I'm certainly not against any kind of check.

I don't think any of us are against it. I think we're against having to pay $30+ for one when we are required to do so. If they (state or organization) requires one, they should pick up the cost. Charge a little more for the league fees to offset the costs.

TXMike Wed Jun 13, 2007 08:47am

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Originally Posted by grantsrc
I don't think any of us are against it. I think we're against having to pay $30+ for one when we are required to do so. If they (state or organization) requires one, they should pick up the cost. Charge a little more for the league fees to offset the costs.


Does the state buy your uniforms? Does the state pay your clinic fees? Does the state pay for your association dues/insurance? This is just another cost we should bear for the privilege of engaging in the endeavor.

Texas Aggie Wed Jun 13, 2007 11:12am

I agree with Mike. When I applied for a law license, I had to pay a fee (and still pay annual fees) that, in part, covered a background check. Same when I applied for a handgun license, and so forth.

Now, I do think they should see if they can figure out a way to allow those with recent background checks from the types of licenses I mentioned above go through the system as a pass.

gscsj Wed Jun 13, 2007 12:03pm

For you guys who are more familiar with these checks that I am, what does the $30 (or whatever the cost) go towards? Is it strictly the time spent by the law enforcement officer to go through the process? If this is the case and the price is a factor, you might find a few officers who would be willing to do this in their off-the-clock time for much cheaper...especially if they are active or retired officials.

Just a thought.

JRutledge Wed Jun 13, 2007 12:06pm

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Originally Posted by TXMike
Does the state buy your uniforms? Does the state pay your clinic fees? Does the state pay for your association dues/insurance? This is just another cost we should bear for the privilege of engaging in the endeavor.

The uniform is not the same as a background check. If you are protecting your kids, then you should pay for the background check. Are you going to give a background check to every fan that comes into your arena? Of course they are not. If schools really wanted to, they could keep the kids and the officials completely away from each other, but they often put us right next to each other where all kinds of issues of that close proximity could be a problem and hurting the kids from the officiating point of view is likely not the most inappropriate. I wish I had a dollar for every time someone just walked into the officiating locker room when I was getting dressed and almost completely naked.

Peace

TXMike Wed Jun 13, 2007 10:36pm

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Originally Posted by gscsj
For you guys who are more familiar with these checks that I am, what does the $30 (or whatever the cost) go towards? Is it strictly the time spent by the law enforcement officer to go through the process? If this is the case and the price is a factor, you might find a few officers who would be willing to do this in their off-the-clock time for much cheaper...especially if they are active or retired officials.

Just a thought.


The FBI charges a fee to agencies/companies which send in fingerprints for criminal history checks using the nationwide fingerprint database. I think the fee is currently $18. Many states have their own fingerprint repositories and typically charge a fee for checks of them. There is no way you are getting much more than a standard check of fingerprints for $30. A "real" background investigation will costs hundreds if not thousands of dollars.

grantsrc Thu Jun 14, 2007 07:37am

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Originally Posted by Texas Aggie
I agree with Mike. When I applied for a law license, I had to pay a fee (and still pay annual fees) that, in part, covered a background check. Same when I applied for a handgun license, and so forth.

Now, I do think they should see if they can figure out a way to allow those with recent background checks from the types of licenses I mentioned above go through the system as a pass.

Yeah, I guess I never realized that. I had to pay for my background check when I applied for my teaching license. But just recently, my district performed a separate background check on every teacher, which I didn't have to pay for.

wwcfoa43 Thu Jun 14, 2007 11:53am

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Originally Posted by ref18
We actually had a bill in the provincial house that would've mandated sports officials get criminal checks, however the house was adjourned for the legislative session before the bill got out of committee so it died.

I wonder if after the election they're going to try and revive the bill.

My problem with the Ontario bill was the wording in that anyone who hires an official has to get the background check done. So in practice this would mean that each league and even some individual teams would ALL have to get the check done. There is no room for having a centralized agent do the clearing in the wording. Technically, you could have a single agent hire the officials for all the contests to get around having them all do it.

My problem with the process in general is suppose an official when he was young and 18 makes a mistake and gets a DWI conviction. Thirty years later when those mistakes are long behind him he has to allow the leagues that hire him to know about this mistake and have it possibly bar him from officiating their games?

The only way this could work is to have a set of offences that would make an official fail their certification and then have a central body do the check so as to preserve the officials privacy.

Canfootball52 Thu Jun 14, 2007 03:54pm

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Originally Posted by wwcfoa43
My problem with the Ontario bill was the wording in that anyone who hires an official has to get the background check done. So in practice this would mean that each league and even some individual teams would ALL have to get the check done. There is no room for having a centralized agent do the clearing in the wording. Technically, you could have a single agent hire the officials for all the contests to get around having them all do it.

My problem with the process in general is suppose an official when he was young and 18 makes a mistake and gets a DWI conviction. Thirty years later when those mistakes are long behind him he has to allow the leagues that hire him to know about this mistake and have it possibly bar him from officiating their games?

The only way this could work is to have a set of offences that would make an official fail their certification and then have a central body do the check so as to preserve the officials privacy.

You're not "hired" by the teams or the leagues, your local Officials Association "hires" you. They would be the one's doing the background checks, not the teams.

There's a big difference between a DWI conviction when you're young and stupid, and being a sexual predator when you're a "mature" adult.


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