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JugglingReferee Sun Dec 03, 2006 09:51pm

SEA @ DEN - pitch to FG K Elam
 
So Denver field goal kicker Jason Elam gets the ball tossed to him by the holder when he sees the right side of the field open for a first down. They subsequently kicked a field goal from ~ 12 yards closer.

When the pitch happens, must the holder lift his knee off the ground? In Canadian ball, it is so: the holder must lift the knee off the ground in order to legally pitch the ball on a fake. If he doesn't, it is dead at the spot of the release fo the ball.

AndrewMcCarthy Sun Dec 03, 2006 10:02pm

In NF the holder has to raise his knee. In NCAA or NFL he does not.

Snake~eyes Sun Dec 03, 2006 11:01pm

HS he must.
NCAA not sure.
NFL aplayer is down by contact so there is no reason why a player couldn't do it from the ground AFAIK.

BktBallRef Mon Dec 04, 2006 12:19am

Quote:

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee
So Denver field goal kicker Jason Elam gets the ball tossed to him by the holder when he sees the right side of the field open for a first down. They subsequently kicked a field goal from ~ 12 yards closer.

When the pitch happens, must the holder lift his knee off the ground?

Did the referee throw his flag?

I don't think so. :)

JugglingReferee Mon Dec 04, 2006 12:49am

Quote:

Originally Posted by BktBallRef
Did the referee throw his flag?

I don't think so. :)

Actually, to better identify that my question was easily answered by my realizing that the NFL plays down by contact, a more appropriate comment from you would be "Did the referee assign forward progress at the holder's location?".

IIRC, the pitch was not forward: I cannot think of any rule in any ruleset where a knee down followed by a pitch is a foul.


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