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Raymond Wed Nov 08, 2006 10:39am

Anybody here work in this youth league?
 
Just read this. It's hard to shock me, but I was utterly dumfounded.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...110301819.html

AndrewMcCarthy Wed Nov 08, 2006 11:32am

The commissioner, Dan Hinkle, sounds like a real piece of work and whether his kid plays defense or not, I'm guessing he'll grow up to be quite the citizen himself.

bossman72 Wed Nov 08, 2006 12:28pm

this is outrageous. this guy should get the crap kicked out of him for what he did.

waltjp Wed Nov 08, 2006 12:59pm

Remember - It's all about the kids. :rolleyes:

Ed Hickland Wed Nov 08, 2006 02:32pm

Amazing!!

There kids deserve better.

jontheref Wed Nov 08, 2006 02:56pm

He "owns" a youth league? That's a hell of an investment. I forgot, sports is for the kids. Certain ones apparently.

Fon_Win Sat Nov 11, 2006 10:02pm

Commissioner South County: Dan Hinkle:

[email protected]

Just in case you wanted to drop him line.

Chairman's email: Mark Meana, [email protected]

http://www.fcyfl.org/Contacts.asp?sn...&org=FCYFL.ORG

Forksref Sun Nov 12, 2006 09:16am

Reason # 322 to NOT do youth leagues.

ABoselli Sun Nov 12, 2006 10:58am

There's no 'I' in team, but there's one in 'fired'.
 
This guy is trying to out-Marinovich Marinovich's old man.

Off to an inauspicious start.

ljudge Tue Nov 14, 2006 12:53pm

I just shared this with a local Philadelphia-area sports station. They had a segment this morning talking about youth sports where they were talking about politics, ethics, etc. that get in the way of a great experience for our children. This commissioner is a bona-fide jack@ss.

The Roamin' Umpire Sat Nov 18, 2006 01:32pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fon_Win
Commissioner South County: Dan Hinkle:

[email protected]

Just in case you wanted to drop him line.

Chairman's email: Mark Meana, [email protected]

http://www.fcyfl.org/Contacts.asp?sn...&org=FCYFL.ORG

Well, I made the attempt. Here's the message I e-mailed to the entire board:
Quote:

Originally Posted by The Roamin' Umpire
To the board of the Fairfax County Youth Football League:

I just read the following article by Timothy Dwyer in the Washington
Post online:
http://www.washingtonpost.com<wbr>/wp-dyn/content/article/2006<wbr>/11/03/AR2006110301819.html

It relates the story of a football team whose coaches were fired
because they did not play the commissioner's son on defense.

The actions and statements of this commissioner, Dan Hinkle, are
despicable and represent the worst example I have ever seen of one of
the chief problems of youth sports. It is my fervent hope that you
remove Mr. Hinkle from his position and ban him from your league until
such time as he gains some clue of the purpose of youth sports.


(signature removed)
Member, Capital District Football Officials Association
Albany, NY



Here are the two replies I have received:
Quote:

Originally Posted by [email protected]
I saw your message to the article about Dan Hinkle. Before slamming someone, are you totally postive that the article was true? We all know that the newspapers are not bias and always tells the truth. Dan Hinkle has been a part of youth football for 15 years. If he was not good for youth sports this would not be just coming out. No one mentions that the coach did whatever he did to his son just to win a game. Do you know that we have a particpation rule in our league that states every kid must have a starting position? Were you aware that coaches violoate this rule by having kids be placed on offense as substitutions to run in and out plays all game? How would you feel if you paid some 200 bucks for your son to play football and all he did was run plays to the quarterback and runs to one side of field as a wide reiecever and is basically a decoy. I am not saying this is what happened to Dan Hinkle or his son, but I do know for a fact that this coach was reprimanded 4 times for violoating this rule to win a game. Did you know that the team he beat while not playing Mr. Hinkle's son, he lost previously to 2 weeks before by the scrore of 31-0, and all of a sudden he beats them. Wow, he must have made major adjustements to his roster- Then again, how can you do that when you have a particapation rule? You should get the entire story before slamming someone.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve Wilmer ([email protected])
<[email protected]>I'm a tax payer in northern VA. It appears you are doing private business, sending emails about Dan Hinkle etc. on government time. What are you doing sending emails from your government computer?</[email protected]><[email protected]><[email protected]> My tax dollars hard at work.



So much for a rational response (although neither of these fine specimens of humanity are listed on the league's website). The first person has a point about not having the whole story, but the reporter contacted Hinkle, who refused to comment. And his e-mails speak for themselves. The second one is clueless, since I sent the e-mail from my personal e-mail account.

My conclusion is that I'm glad that I don't work games for this league, and VERY glad that our local Pop Warner league takes sportsmanship VERY seriously and comes down hard on coaches who receive even one unsportsmanlike flag. Crap like this would never be tolerated.
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MJT Sat Nov 18, 2006 06:45pm

This is so sad. If you pay enough money to own the team, you can tell the coaches that they must play your son every minute on defense. Then, in the last game, that they need to win to make the playoffs, the coaches feel the kid would help them more on offense so they play him there. They win the game and make the playoffs, but since they didn't play his son every minute on defense he fires the head and assistant coach. Great values you are showing your son! No wonder so many of todays youth grow up to only be out for number one!

ABoselli Sun Nov 19, 2006 08:17pm

It looks like there's more than a few members of the jackass club in that league.

How self important can you get? Like the Washington Post is biased against a faction of a youth football league in Fairfax, Virginia.

I'll bet we don't know the whole story - he may turn out to be an even bigger jackass if all the details are divulged.

Raymond Thu Dec 07, 2006 10:51am

Update

9. The South County (Va.) Raptors football team was disqualified from the playoffs after the league commissioner fired the team's coach. The coach's offense? Shifting the commissioner's son from defense to offense for a game. "I own the league," the commissioner reportedly said, and "the entire league exists so he can play defense."
The commissioner offered to hire another coach so the team could compete in the playoffs, but the kids rejected the offer. According to 13-year-old linebacker Michael Holland, the fired coach "is nice. He listens." The commissioner subsequently backed down, rehiring the coach (and his staff) for the playoffs.

bossman72 Thu Dec 07, 2006 12:12pm

the dude should still receive a boot to the frickin skull for pulling that crap

AndrewMcCarthy Thu Dec 07, 2006 01:16pm

At least the 13-year-olds are able to keep this guy in line. :rolleyes:

The Roamin' Umpire Sat Feb 24, 2007 08:51pm

UPDATE: Commissioner fired
 
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...0.html?sub=new

UPDATE: Official Is Removed After Firing Raptors' Coaches
Sunday, February 18, 2007; C02

Football season is long over, but a lot has happened to the South County Raptors since the team of 12- to 14-year-old boys was forced to forfeit a playoff game because of an overzealous parent.
In a few weeks, the boys plan to get together one last time to feast on hotdogs and hamburgers and watch a highlight film of their season, which had a remarkable ending.
In November, just days before the Raptors, from southern Fairfax County, were headed for the playoffs, the league commissioner fired the head coach and an assistant coach for moving his son from defense to offense in the final game of the season. The team refused to play for new coaches. So the playoffs began, and the boys forfeited their game. The Fairfax County Youth Football League salvaged the Raptors' season by setting up a bowl game after the playoffs, which the Raptors won 6-0.
Since then, the commissioner of the South County Youth Association, Dan Hinkle, has been removed from the Fairfax County Youth Football League.
Mark Meana, the league chairman, said Hinkle was removed because his organization was not in compliance with the league's bylaws. He said the league has named another organization, the South County Athletic Association, as a replacement. He said the new association has scheduled an organizational meeting for next month and will have to decide how many teams from different age groups will be formed next season. "We are going to support them and help them financially if they need it for equipment and other things," Meana said.
Meana said the Raptors' coaches were not given the right to appeal their firings, a violation of the league bylaws. "It was an embarrassment to everyone concerned," he said.
During the preseason, Hinkle e-mailed the coaches, writing that his son, Scott, needed to play every play on defense. "Scott does not sit out on defense -- ever," Hinkle wrote. "He goes in and stays in. That includes all practices, scrimmages and games. The entire league exists so he can lay defense on the best team in his weight class. . . . He is my son, I own the league, and he plays every snap on defense."
After the coaches moved his son from defense to offense in a win over Herndon, Hinkle fired head coach James Owens and assistant coach Bill Burnham.
Hinkle filled a large void in youth sports in the rapidly growing southern portion of the county by creating the league. He said he spent about $150,000 of his own money to fund the league. Once he fired the coaches, the children refused to play for anyone else. The coaches were reinstated for the special bowl game and Hinkle allowed the team to use its regular equipment.
The Raptors' situation caught the attention of many people in the region. Burnham said the outpouring of support for the Raptors turned a negative experience into a positive one. "When we looked back, we have a very positive outlook on the season," he said. "The boys learned a lot about football, but they learned a lot more about life."
-- Timothy Dwyer

Robert Goodman Mon Feb 26, 2007 04:18pm

Ever see the movie John Goldfarb, Please Come Home? It too concerns a vanity football team formed by a father for his son. The father is the king of Fawzia, a fictional country approximately where Iraq is in the real world. Not only does his son have to play, but if they don't beat Notre Dame, they'll take their oil and go home.

Robert


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