Deception....all the way!
 

This is akin to the situation whereby a holder runs to his sideline yelling at the bench for the kicking tee. Meanwhile, the defense is thinking the play is not eminent. The offense snaps the ball, catching the defense by surprise and scoring.

Sure, some argue that B should be ready to play at the ready, but it's obvious that A was using the "need the tee" plea as a deception tactic.

It has no place in the game....and I agree with an earlier respondent. Shut it down!! Penalize for UNSP conduct. You'll get an argument from the coach of A, but you'll have preserved the integrity of the game.

All the best,

Wade
N.O., LA

Re: Re: ok, so in this play, where's the foul?
 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by BktBallRef
[B]Thanks for the kind words, Bktbakkref! Such a kind way of having a discussion!

As long as the QB draws coverage, let em play! I did not see in the post that the QB sprinted to the wide out, only that he went in motion, Most motion is barely a jog, let alone a sprint, and to have the qb bark some word......cant say this is as the case book indicates. If the MLB mopves along with him, i got nothing.

As for Naive, sorry.....open minded might best describe it!

zeb

You know, I've typed it over and over again. Just the act of the QB running over to his wideout and yelling at him is not deceitful. It doesn't become deceitful and illegal until the ball is snapped. Then it's obvious that the verbage was meant as trickery.

It's so simple to see that the play is designed to illegally deceive the defense. It's described clearly in the rulebook and the casebook. Eveyone who has posted here seems to get it. Everyone but you. I just wonder what other rules and interpretations from the NF does an official like yourself ignore? :(

Good luck to you, sir.

RE: Quarterback in motion
 

Any official who doesn't see that this is a deception play obviously concentrates more on LETTER OF RULE, than INTENT OF RULE.

I submit that those who enforce the LETTER OF RULE find that they have more problems in a game than the vast majority of us who understand the INTENT OF RULES and enforce them thusly.

Where's the foul in a "quarterback in motion"?? If the actions that have been described in this play (over and over) don't make it readily apparent where the foul is (unsportsmanlike behavior.....orchestrated by the coach....acted out by the QB), than there's not much hope that he will every see the intent of the rule on this one.

Sorry about adding a reply this late but I had missed this thread earlier. I agree this is an illegal act as described. The problem I've always had is in the enforcement of the UC in this play and the "where's the tee?" play. Do we blow it dead and penalize before the snap? If so what do we do if the player really is looking for the tee? If we allow the play to go then the enforcement is from the succeeding spot, not acceptable. Should we just kill the play as soon as it is snapped? Any opinions? I know our state has said kill it prior to the snap.

We discussed this play last year on the McGriff board. The only way to handle it is to kill the play. Even though the ball is snapped, the foul occurred before the snap, even if it's not evident until after the snap.

Compare it to a coach who yells that you're a sorry SOB just before the ball is snapped. The USC occurs before the snap, even though the ball may be snapped before you can blow the whistle. DBF before the snap.

If you look at 9.5.1d, you'll see this under the ruling.