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Old Thu Oct 05, 2006, 06:34am
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I'm going to agree with New Guy on the hurdling thing. I went back and watched again. As soon as the center snaps the ball, he has a hand clearly planted in the ground, so I don't think we have hurdling.
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Old Thu Oct 05, 2006, 07:45am
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This play is illegal, the player by definition hurdled the opponent, it's a foul.
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Old Thu Oct 05, 2006, 07:59am
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This play is illegal, the player by definition hurdled the opponent, it's a foul.
Just asking, if the rule in fact states that it's hurdling only when no other body part other than feet are touching the ground (I'm assuming the previous posts are accurate, I don't have my books w/ me),

then how can it be hurdling when the C has his hand on the ground?

(Just FYI, you have to watch the video most of the way through, they show a close up instant replay that shows the C with his hands on the ground)

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Old Thu Oct 05, 2006, 08:11am
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The center did have his hand on the ground, I didn't see that the first time I watched it, so I guess hurdling is not the call. However from the replay it is hard to tell if the player actually stepped on the centers back which would be a foul. I guess the umpire would have had the best view of it so he must have cleared the player. I'm not sure about the hand on his team mates shoulder to leverage himself up and over though.
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Old Thu Oct 05, 2006, 08:40am
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even if it isn't hurdling

he definitely ends up landing on the center's back with his cleats, I would be tempted to say he also uses his teammates shoulder as leverage, allthough not much it is pretty athletic..It falls within the leaping rules in the NCAA he took more than one step leaped, contacted another player....it is just illegal all the way around...but still cool to see...
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Old Thu Oct 05, 2006, 08:45am
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I agree with the NCAA leaping rule but Leaping in not defined in Fed rules, using a team mate is not legal for leveraging and standing on a team mate or opponent is a foul as well. It was very athletic, but I believe there should have been a foul on the play.

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Old Thu Oct 05, 2006, 09:04am
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It seems to me that he might have stepped on the center's back during the jump- making it illegal.
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Old Thu Oct 05, 2006, 09:49am
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It seems to me that he might have stepped on the center's back during the jump- making it illegal.
I definitely agree that the stepping on the C's back is the most likely foul in this case.
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Old Thu Oct 05, 2006, 11:32am
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this is not hurdling which is against an opponent. This is illegal personal contact
using an opponent or a team mate to gain an unfair advantage.
15 yards
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Old Thu Oct 05, 2006, 01:40pm
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Even if the snapper did have a hand on the ground momentarily, this is a safety foul and officials should err on the side of protecting the players. I would have no problem if hurdling were called on this. Just because the center has his hand on the ground is "ticky-tack" as far as I'm concerned. The hurdling rule was designed to for players to be able to jump over other players on that are on the ground during the course of a normal scrimmage.

High jumping the LOS is not what they had in mind and could potentially get a kid hurt...badly.

IMO....call this one every time.
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