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iceman70 Tue Aug 29, 2006 12:42am
I think that the NCAA version is simpler and this play wouldn't be an issue:

4-2-3-a A ball not in player possession, other than a kick that scores a field goal, is out of bounds when it touches the ground, a player, a game official, or anything else that is on or outside a boundary line.

B73 is clearly outside of the boundary line whether he is standing or jumping in the air.

The Roamin' Umpire Tue Aug 29, 2006 09:35am
Ok, so just for the record, if this happens on my sideline, I'm ruling it incomplete.

But... I think by a technical reading of the rules, this is a completion (or interception). The pass is never out of bounds and there was no action on the part of the player hit that would count as participation.

HawkeyeCubP Tue Aug 29, 2006 05:21pm
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Originally Posted by PSU213
Does he really meet the definition of a substitute? I can break down 2-31-15 two different ways (I am leaving parts of the rule out, and how it is interpreted depends on how one reads the rule as a whole):

First would be "a substitute becomes a player when he enters the field and...participates in the play." In which case he would not qualify as a sub in this play since he never did enter the field.
The definition is saying that he is a substitute whose status is changed to a player "when he enters the field..." (He's not becoming a substitute by entering the field - he's a substitute who's becoming a player by entering the field, etc.)

HawkeyeCubP Tue Aug 29, 2006 05:23pm
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Originally Posted by iceman70
I think that the NCAA version is simpler and this play wouldn't be an issue:

4-2-3-a A ball not in player possession, other than a kick that scores a field goal, is out of bounds when it touches the ground, a player, a game official, or anything else that is on or outside a boundary line.

B73 is clearly outside of the boundary line whether he is standing or jumping in the air.
And the NCAA shall set you free!!! Would someone copy and paste this little morsel of logic and send it to NFHS now?

MJT Tue Aug 29, 2006 11:49pm
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Originally Posted by The Roamin' Umpire
Ok, so just for the record, if this happens on my sideline, I'm ruling it incomplete.
Ditto. That's the intent.

NickelDeuce Fri Sep 01, 2006 01:49pm
Incomplete Pass.


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