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MJT Thu Aug 24, 2006 10:59pm

hook and ladder play
 
On a hook and ladder play the receiver jumps in the air to catch the pass and while still in the air throws it back to his teammate. His teammate muffs it, the ball bounces off the ground once and the defense picks it up on the bounce and returns it for 20 yards before he is downed. Ruling??

Matt-MI Thu Aug 24, 2006 11:22pm

The receiver never touched the ground before the backward pass to his teammate therefore it is an incomplete pass.

w_sohl Thu Aug 24, 2006 11:25pm

Right, I revise my response. The first reciever never came into contact with the ground while in posession of the ball so we have an incomplete pass.

HawkeyeCubP Fri Aug 25, 2006 12:18am

Incomplete.

This is simply an A player legally batting a legal forward pass that is eventually grounded.

9-7-3, 2-1-3, 2-2, 2-4-1, 2-30-1

MJT Fri Aug 25, 2006 08:48am

Ok, so now what if when he tosses is to his teammate, it is forward and his teammate runs for a TD?

Warrenkicker Fri Aug 25, 2006 08:56am

If the pass was forward then this forward batting is a legal play. If the first pass is backward and the bat causes the ball to go forward then we have illegal batting, 9-7-3.

JasonTX Fri Aug 25, 2006 09:47am

Under NCAA any player eligible to touch the pass may bat the ball in any direction. Is NFHS different than that? If so, what happens to all those players who jump up to bat the ball down to avoid a catch or interception?

Suudy Fri Aug 25, 2006 10:16am

Quote:

Originally Posted by JasonTX
Under NCAA any player eligible to touch the pass may bat the ball in any direction. Is NFHS different than that? If so, what happens to all those players who jump up to bat the ball down to avoid a catch or interception?

9.7.3: "Any pass in flight may be batted in any direction, by an eligible receiver unless it is a backward pass batted forward by the passing team."

For a backwards pass, I think A would be pretty crazy to bat the ball down to avoid an interception, and that's the only case where it would be illegal (assuming it was batted forward).

Theisey Fri Aug 25, 2006 10:25am

NF or NCAA: It's a legal continuation of a forward pass play by an airborne receiver whether he batted forward or backward.
It also becomes an incomplete pass should it become grounded.

A rarely seen play (Peach Bowl anyone).

Bob M. Fri Aug 25, 2006 01:33pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Theisey
....A rarely seen play (Peach Bowl anyone).

REPLY: Don't think Mr. Bible will forget that one anytime soon!


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