Interception

Butterball

Was Polamalu's interception really an interception, or was the referee correct in calling it an incomplete pass?

jjanicik

The only rule that I am aware of on receptions prior to a fumble is that you have to make an athletic move with possession. This "his knee was still on the ground and then lost the ball" is what I view as a creative "hometown" call.
The refs also missed an interference call on Randel El in the 1st half and then what was with the "no call" on the 4th down when Faneca moved (they missed it) and then the Colts went across the neutral zone?

Kaliix

If that is not an interception, the rule needs to be changed. I don't know the football rules that well, so please someone explain to me how that is not an interception.

That play should never have been overturned. But then I am only an umpire (baseball). So you football officials, please explain that one to me.

Oh, and what was up with that do over on the offsides/false start? I don't even know what to say about that.

RefNVa

Had he stayed on the ground it would have been ruled an interception, he then tried to get up and it was ruled an IP, I don't get it. In hs fb that's definitely a pick!

MJT

Even more rare than NFL officials making a mistake is when a play gets overturned when it should not have been. They are looking at it and talking to a review man upstairs and discussing the rules related to it the whole time. I think they probalby got it right, whether we agree or not, but we will see. The NFL, more than anyone, will go public when their officials make a mistake. Time will tell.

Snake~eyes

Originally posted by MJT
Even more rare than NFL officials making a mistake is when a play gets overturned when it should not have been. They are looking at it and talking to a review man upstairs and discussing the rules related to it the whole time. I think they probalby got it right, whether we agree or not, but we will see. The NFL, more than anyone, will go public when their officials make a mistake. Time will tell.

I'm sure Mike Periera will talk about this on Wed. I look foward to see what he has to say.

MJT

Originally posted by Snake~eyes

Originally posted by MJT
Even more rare than NFL officials making a mistake is when a play gets overturned when it should not have been. They are looking at it and talking to a review man upstairs and discussing the rules related to it the whole time. I think they probalby got it right, whether we agree or not, but we will see. The NFL, more than anyone, will go public when their officials make a mistake. Time will tell.

I'm sure Mike Periera will talk about this on Wed. I look foward to see what he has to say.

I don't get the show, so let us know what they say about it.

Rich

Originally posted by Snake~eyes

Originally posted by MJT
Even more rare than NFL officials making a mistake is when a play gets overturned when it should not have been. They are looking at it and talking to a review man upstairs and discussing the rules related to it the whole time. I think they probalby got it right, whether we agree or not, but we will see. The NFL, more than anyone, will go public when their officials make a mistake. Time will tell.

I'm sure Mike Periera will talk about this on Wed. I look foward to see what he has to say.

According to someone on another board, when a player gains possession of a thrown ball on the ground, he has to come off the ground with possession in order for it to be ruled a catch. Because the player's right knee was on the ground when the ball came loose, it could not be ruled a catch.

Of course, this would be an INT in a HS game.

BktBallRef

"In the act of making a catch, if a receiver makes a catch and goes to the ground UNTOUCHED by a defender, the receiver must have secure possession when he gets to his feet or when contacted by an opponent."

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Originally posted by jjanicik
The only rule that I am aware of on receptions prior to a fumble is that you have to make an athletic move with possession. This "his knee was still on the ground and then lost the ball" is what I view as a creative "hometown" call.
The refs also missed an interference call on Randel El in the 1st half and then what was with the "no call" on the 4th down when Faneca moved (they missed it) and then the Colts went across the neutral zone?

I agree with the missed DPI, which was missed a few times!

They may have been in the neutral zone but the ball wasn't snapped. Pittsburgh should have snapped the ball then they would have had them off-sides. But the crew did a bad job with making it a "no call."

[deleted]

Originally posted by BktBallRef
"In the act of making a catch, if a receiver makes a catch and goes to the ground UNTOUCHED by a defender, the receiver must have secure possession when he gets to his feet or when contacted by an opponent."

That is what I read and it is how all the crews in the NFL have been calling it all year. Samthing happened on a Tampa Bay TD pass that was called IP.

Kaliix

Well then they need to change that rule. If Polomalu stays on the ground for a couple seconds after making the int and then looses the ball as he gets to his feet and by rule that is still an incomplete pass, that is a bad rule.

The man demonstrated possession through a dive and full roll. That should be enough.

Props to the ref for making the right call. Now change the rule.

Originally posted by BktBallRef
"In the act of making a catch, if a receiver makes a catch and goes to the ground UNTOUCHED by a defender, the receiver must have secure possession when he gets to his feet or when contacted by an opponent."

Snake~eyes

Originally posted by MJT

Originally posted by Snake~eyes

Originally posted by MJT
Even more rare than NFL officials making a mistake is when a play gets overturned when it should not have been. They are looking at it and talking to a review man upstairs and discussing the rules related to it the whole time. I think they probalby got it right, whether we agree or not, but we will see. The NFL, more than anyone, will go public when their officials make a mistake. Time will tell.

I'm sure Mike Periera will talk about this on Wed. I look foward to see what he has to say.

I don't get the show, so let us know what they say about it.

MJT, its on the web every week... http://www.nfl.com on the right hand side. Look for it late wednesday (maybe thursday).

MJT

Originally posted by Snake~eyes

Originally posted by MJT

Originally posted by Snake~eyes

Originally posted by MJT
Even more rare than NFL officials making a mistake is when a play gets overturned when it should not have been. They are looking at it and talking to a review man upstairs and discussing the rules related to it the whole time. I think they probalby got it right, whether we agree or not, but we will see. The NFL, more than anyone, will go public when their officials make a mistake. Time will tell.

I'm sure Mike Periera will talk about this on Wed. I look foward to see what he has to say.

I don't get the show, so let us know what they say about it.

MJT, its on the web every week... http://www.nfl.com on the right hand side. Look for it late wednesday (maybe thursday).

You can watch the whole show on the web? I'll be looking for that.

Snake~eyes

Originally posted by MJT

Originally posted by Snake~eyes

Originally posted by MJT

Originally posted by Snake~eyes

Originally posted by MJT
Even more rare than NFL officials making a mistake is when a play gets overturned when it should not have been. They are looking at it and talking to a review man upstairs and discussing the rules related to it the whole time. I think they probalby got it right, whether we agree or not, but we will see. The NFL, more than anyone, will go public when their officials make a mistake. Time will tell.

I'm sure Mike Periera will talk about this on Wed. I look foward to see what he has to say.

I don't get the show, so let us know what they say about it.

MJT, its on the web every week... http://www.nfl.com on the right hand side. Look for it late wednesday (maybe thursday).

You can watch the whole show on the web? I'll be looking for that.

No, just certain segments. But you can watch the entire Periera segment.

sm_bbcoach

Can anyone post the NFL rule number AND the rule for the INT / IP yesterday.

Thanks

MJT

Originally posted by sm_bbcoach
Can anyone post the NFL rule number AND the rule for the INT / IP yesterday.

Thanks

I have an official NFL rule book from a current NFL official, and cannot find a situation which covers it exactly. I would assume they have a case book of sorts, and being that he was also talking to an official in the replay booth, who has any books they have, I'd assume that even if you didn't like it, they probably got it right. If they did not, the NFL will come out and say so, as they do when mistakes are made.

WhistlesAndStripes

Offical word from the NFL so far is, "It was the Referee's judgment call."

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs05/news/story?id=2294309

nafboy

That article bothered me because I don't think "judgment" and "judgment call" mean the same thing. The NFL said that was his judgment. In court, a judge passes down a judgment.

I think that ESPN is trying to change how it sounds when they manipulate the quote to say it was a judgment call.

nafboy

And now ESPN has just moved the ground underneath the reader's feet -- that link above used to point to an article headlined "it was a judgment call". Now the link leads to an article that reads the same at the bottom but reads in the headline that it was the wrong call.