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alabamabluezebra Thu Nov 03, 2005 02:54pm

How many first round games will be played in your state? In Alabama, we have 6 high school classifications with 8 regions in each class. The top 4 teams in each region make the playoffs (32 teams per class or 16 games per class). This means 96 1st round playoff games. Approximately 900 officials are needed to work the first round. I'm sure this pales to Texas and California to name a couple.

Warrenkicker Thu Nov 03, 2005 04:02pm

Kansas

There are 80 first round games in the seven classes. The lowest three classes only use 4-man while the larger four use 5-man. So there are 368 officials needed for the first round out of about 1000 officials in the state.

bigwes68 Thu Nov 03, 2005 04:27pm

Tennessee
 
16 games in each of 5 classes, so 80 games in Division 1.
In Division 2 (private schools), 4 games.

84 games X (5-man crew + ECO + 3-man chain crew) =

756 officials needed for first round in Tennessee.

mcrowder Thu Nov 03, 2005 05:20pm

Texas - I believe there are 48 5A, 48 4A, 48 3A, 32 2A, 16 1A, 16 Private and 16 6-man games in round one. Could be 32 on 1A. Guess that's 224 games.

BoBo Thu Nov 03, 2005 05:47pm

IOWA
 
5 Classes
4A Big Schools
3A
2A
1A
A Small Schools

16 teams qualify in each class thus 8 games times 5 classes means 40 crews.

We also have 8 man football, believe 8 teams qualify 4 more crews.

All crews are selected by the recommendations that have been sent in by the coaches.

irefky Fri Nov 04, 2005 08:08am

In KY

4 classes, 16 games each, total 64

320 officials for first week

5 weeks, championship games to be played at Louisville's Papa John's Stadium

Level 1 officials, 197
Level 2, 213
Level 3, 493

total, 903


Level 1 is the beginning official, level 2 and 3 are only elgible for play offs.



JRutledge Fri Nov 04, 2005 08:18am

8 Classes.
32 teams per Class.

128 Games on Round 1 Weekend.

Football is also the only sport where every team does not make the playoffs.

Peace

ZMan Fri Nov 04, 2005 08:48am

In Minnesota, every team does make the playoffs.

Each class has 8 sections with 8 teams. There are 32 games in each class in the first round and 6 classes for 192 games.

Most first round games are blow outs and even second round games can be just as bad.

Gman34 Fri Nov 04, 2005 09:06am

Quote:

Originally posted by irefky
In KY
4 classes, 16 games each, total 64

Hey irefky, where are you going this week? I'll be in Frankfort.

irefky Fri Nov 04, 2005 09:47am

Bellevue (3) at Raceland (2), which is near Ashland, who do you have?

[Edited by irefky on Nov 4th, 2005 at 09:58 AM]

grantsrc Fri Nov 04, 2005 10:51am

Quote:

Originally posted by ZMan
In Minnesota, every team does make the playoffs.

Each class has 8 sections with 8 teams. There are 32 games in each class in the first round and 6 classes for 192 games.

Most first round games are blow outs and even second round games can be just as bad.

I grew up in MN and I wish we did it that way in MO. One bad thing is my high school was in the same conference as Creiton Durham-Hall so we never advanced too far! :)

We have district play and the winner of the district advances, that's it. So you can have two really good teams in the same district but if one has a better record or margin of victory, they advance.

We have 6 classes including a separate 8 man class.

Warrenkicker Fri Nov 04, 2005 01:05pm

Quote:

Originally posted by grantsrc
We have 6 classes including a separate 8 man class.
But don't you only have about 20 teams playing 8-man? I thought I had read that 8-man never caught on over there like it did in Kansas. We have two divisions of 8-man with over 90 teams total. In many places in the more rural areas, schools have combined to have enough players even for 8-man. In fact this past season was the last for one school which had won the state championship last year and the year before was runner-up.

The Roamin' Umpire Fri Nov 04, 2005 01:25pm

Albany, NY area
 
Unfortunately, I can't give a definitive answer for the whole state, except that there are five classifications for football. In our area, eight teams make the playoffs from each class except the smallest, from which four make it. So our section has 18 first-round games, with four on-field officials plus a timer for each. There are, I believe, 11 sections in New York state; if they're all about the same size (dunno if that's true), then we'd have not quite 200 first-round playoff games.

GBFBUmp Fri Nov 04, 2005 02:16pm

<B> WI </B>

7 Divisions, 16 games each division first round.

The crew I sub for has round 3 and round 4 games this year. I expect they will all be there for those. Hoping to see them at State.

Since its Friday and I seem to be slacking off at work here are some numbers I gleaned from WI's Official's list.

2012 registered FB Officials.
553 L1s
138 L2s
143 L3s
289 L4s
192 L5s
30 L-Rs (I am suspecting this is retired???)
697 Masters.



MTOfficial Fri Nov 04, 2005 02:53pm

24 and change- Montana
 
There are 4 classes AA,A,B and (8 man) C. Oh yeah, and 6-man too. AA and A send 8 teams and B and C send 16. Makes for 24 games plus whatever 6 man is. (My pool doesn't cover any 6 man schools so I am unsure). This week is the 2nd round for everyone except AA which starts tonight.

parepat Fri Nov 04, 2005 03:17pm

OHIO

96 games in six divisions. Thus 480 officials needed in the first round. We have 2,552 football officials. Thus, roughly 21% recieve playoff assignments.

Texas Aggie Fri Nov 04, 2005 03:27pm

Texas has a 32 team Division I and a 64 team Division II in all classifications from 5A (largest) down to 2A, and has a single division in 1A that I believe has 64 teams. That's public (Texas UIL). There are no bye rounds. I'm not sure about private, since there are private school championships that cross state lines.

parepat Sat Nov 05, 2005 01:15am

Quote:

Originally posted by alabamabluezebra
How many first round games will be played in your state? In Alabama, we have 6 high school classifications with 8 regions in each class. The top 4 teams in each region make the playoffs (32 teams per class or 16 games per class). This means 96 1st round playoff games. Approximately 900 officials are needed to work the first round. I'm sure this pales to Texas and California to name a couple.
One of us has our math wrong...unless you work ten man crews in Alabama.

dumbref Sat Nov 05, 2005 08:32pm

Quote:

Originally posted by parepat
Quote:

Originally posted by alabamabluezebra
How many first round games will be played in your state? In Alabama, we have 6 high school classifications with 8 regions in each class. The top 4 teams in each region make the playoffs (32 teams per class or 16 games per class). This means 96 1st round playoff games. Approximately 900 officials are needed to work the first round. I'm sure this pales to Texas and California to name a couple.
One of us has our math wrong...unless you work ten man crews in Alabama.

We use that funny math down here! But I think he's calculations included 5 on the field + ECO + 3 man chain crew + 25 Sec Clock where available. So that is a 9+ member crew counting everyone.

And yes we use local officials on the chains for every playoff game. They are used as alternates if someone goes down.

Gman34 Sat Nov 05, 2005 09:55pm

Quote:

Originally posted by irefky
who do you have?

[Edited by irefky on Nov 4th, 2005 at 09:58 AM]

Frankfort-2/Campbellsville-3. The setting presented an odd situation. The field is right in the middle of a subdivision where several people were perched of roofs/scaffolds to watch the game. Some had consumed a few adult beverages. They were really getting after the opposing players. Some of the players got rattled and started barking back and making gestures. There were some racial slures made and one player even accused one of the officials of making one.

It was a good game but I think the visiting team let it get to them and it eventually got the best of them. Since the problem(s) were coming from outside the stadium fence, it was obviously out of our control and pretty much out of the game admin's control. There was never a safety concern or we may have had to do something. However, we weren't getting in the middle of a name calling match. There were too many officers there to handle that and it didn't seem to be a problem with them. We were just concerned with handling the players and trying to keep them in the game and without too many UC's for language and gestures.

Has anybody ever run into a situation like this? If so, how did you handle it? It may be worth reporting to the state assoc and copying the school.

HLin NC Sun Nov 06, 2005 01:38am

Playoff selection
 
NC: We are not on crew system. Playoff officials must be either Class 1 or 2 based on point system of test score, meeting attendance, and game experience. Also you can not have taken the "emergency exam".

In my association the eligible officials are selected from the list by the booking agent with input from a review committee.
The crew selected to do a state final game will get a semi-final game together to familiarize themselves.

Each association is given an expectation from the state office on how many games in each round the association can expect to receive.

grantsrc Mon Nov 07, 2005 12:16pm

Quote:

Originally posted by Warrenkicker
Quote:

Originally posted by grantsrc
We have 6 classes including a separate 8 man class.
But don't you only have about 20 teams playing 8-man? I thought I had read that 8-man never caught on over there like it did in Kansas. We have two divisions of 8-man with over 90 teams total. In many places in the more rural areas, schools have combined to have enough players even for 8-man. In fact this past season was the last for one school which had won the state championship last year and the year before was runner-up.

It is so hugely popular that there are four whole teams that made the playoffs (tongue firmly in cheek). Should be interesting to see what happens here. I am fairly confident that I know the 6A and 5A champs, should be interesting from there down. Playoffs start in two days!

radwaste50 Mon Nov 07, 2005 12:16pm

Playoffs for NM
 
6 Divisions
Six Man 8 teams in play offs started 10/28
1A 8 Teams started 11/5
2A 8 Teams started 11/5
3A,4A,5A start next week

so with 6 man finals, 1and 2 A semis, and first round of big schools 29 games this weekend 145 officials and I think we have ~200 in the state

irefky Mon Nov 07, 2005 12:52pm

Quote:

Originally posted by Gman34
Quote:

Originally posted by irefky
who do you have?

[Edited by irefky on Nov 4th, 2005 at 09:58 AM]

Frankfort-2/Campbellsville-3. The setting presented an odd situation. The field is right in the middle of a subdivision where several people were perched of roofs/scaffolds to watch the game. Some had consumed a few adult beverages. They were really getting after the opposing players. Some of the players got rattled and started barking back and making gestures. There were some racial slures made and one player even accused one of the officials of making one.

It was a good game but I think the visiting team let it get to them and it eventually got the best of them. Since the problem(s) were coming from outside the stadium fence, it was obviously out of our control and pretty much out of the game admin's control. There was never a safety concern or we may have had to do something. However, we weren't getting in the middle of a name calling match. There were too many officers there to handle that and it didn't seem to be a problem with them. We were just concerned with handling the players and trying to keep them in the game and without too many UC's for language and gestures.

Has anybody ever run into a situation like this? If so, how did you handle it? It may be worth reporting to the state assoc and copying the school.


This is like being at Wrigley Field with the fans on top of the roofs. Terrible thing to have with fans and such, nothing you can do about this. Maybe stop the game and have the police who are at the game site monitor the behavior and if it escalates, call outside police to stop the behavior outside. I probably would have done something like that if fans were using racial slurs toward the players.

So what was the crew member accused of?

Gman34 Mon Nov 07, 2005 07:12pm

[/B][/QUOTE]This is like being at Wrigley Field with the fans on top of the roofs. Terrible thing to have with fans and such, nothing you can do about this. Maybe stop the game and have the police who are at the game site monitor the behavior and if it escalates, call outside police to stop the behavior outside. I probably would have done something like that if fans were using racial slurs toward the players.

So what was the crew member accused of? [/B][/QUOTE]

He was accused of calling a black player either a jungle or porch monkey. Don't recall that I've ever heard that before. I believe that may have been a statement from the fans that the kid thought would be good to blame on the official.

alabamabluezebra Tue Nov 08, 2005 10:14am

Quote:

Originally posted by parepat
Quote:

Originally posted by alabamabluezebra
How many first round games will be played in your state? In Alabama, we have 6 high school classifications with 8 regions in each class. The top 4 teams in each region make the playoffs (32 teams per class or 16 games per class). This means 96 1st round playoff games. Approximately 900 officials are needed to work the first round. I'm sure this pales to Texas and California to name a couple.
One of us has our math wrong...unless you work ten man crews in Alabama.

We provide 5 man crew, up to 2 clock men, and three chain crew members. So yes, 9 or 10 man crews!

Warrenkicker Tue Nov 08, 2005 12:46pm

Quote:

Originally posted by grantsrc
Quote:

Originally posted by Warrenkicker
Quote:

Originally posted by grantsrc
We have 6 classes including a separate 8 man class.
But don't you only have about 20 teams playing 8-man? I thought I had read that 8-man never caught on over there like it did in Kansas. We have two divisions of 8-man with over 90 teams total. In many places in the more rural areas, schools have combined to have enough players even for 8-man. In fact this past season was the last for one school which had won the state championship last year and the year before was runner-up.

It is so hugely popular that there are four whole teams that made the playoffs (tongue firmly in cheek). Should be interesting to see what happens here. I am fairly confident that I know the 6A and 5A champs, should be interesting from there down. Playoffs start in two days!

So how many 8-man teams are there in Missouri? It is a different game to call so I would guess they would get officials who have worked 8-man for the playoff games. There probably aren't that many crews who are working the games.

Kentucky Basketball Thu Nov 10, 2005 11:30am

Quote:

Originally posted by irefky
In KY

4 classes, 16 games each, total 64

320 officials for first week

5 weeks, championship games to be played at Louisville's Papa John's Stadium

Level 1 officials, 197
Level 2, 213
Level 3, 493

total, 903


Level 1 is the beginning official, level 2 and 3 are only elgible for play offs.




Kentucky Basketball Thu Nov 10, 2005 11:31am

Level 1 is not supposed to be eligble but there are some working in round 2 that are level one


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