illegal formation?

[yankeesfan]

A11 thinking he has been replaced runs off the field. he realizes he is suppose to be in so he runs on the field about 5 yards, never made it between the numbers, he gets set and the play goes off. he did not deceive anyone. would tis be a live ball illegal formation penalty? please comment on what the correct call and enforcement would be?

[ljudge]

I have illegal formation. 5 yards from the previous spot is the enforcement. Not having my rule book it can get tricky but I'll go out on a limb and say I would call this the way I posted it which is a foul.

Now...I suppose someone "could" raise an argument that if the player was between the 9-yard marks when the RFP was given then he satisfied the requirement. The technicality is that he's still a player (and as a player) who established himself between the 9-yard marks. He just happened to go into the team box but still remained a player. I believe if someone raised this as a argument it would be a stretch and a weak argument. Thoughts on this part of it? Anyone?

[yankeesfan]

lets also say that A11 catches a pass for a touchdown, would that turn into a 15 yard penalty for illegal participation or would it still be illegal formation? everyting else is the same as in the original post.

Originally posted by yankeesfan
lets also say that A11 catches a pass for a touchdown, would that turn into a 15 yard penalty for illegal participation or would it still be illegal formation? everyting else is the same as in the original post.

or how about OPI because he would be ineligible?

[yankeesfan]

Originally posted by tpaul

or how about OPI because he would be ineligible?

thats a great point, but he was an eligble receiver. A11 was a wide receiver.

Originally posted by yankeesfan

thats a great point, but he was an eligble receiver. A11 was a wide receiver.

I'm not looking at a rulebook right now but.... if that player is the player that is illegal formation, is he ineligible?

[waltjp]

I believe he is still eligible as long as he lined up in an eligible position and has an eligible number on. The foul is for illegal formation. He's a player who lined up incorrectly.

Originally posted by waltjp
I believe he is still eligible as long as he lined up in an eligible position and has an eligible number on. The foul is for illegal formation. He's a player who lined up incorrectly.

walt,
he didn't line up correctly. he wasn't inside the mark. If a player lines up in the "no-man land" (neither on or off the LOS) That player has committed a illegal formation foul which makes him an ineligible, correct?

[Snake~eyes]

Originally posted by tpaul

walt,
he didn't line up correctly. he wasn't inside the mark. If a player lines up in the "no-man land" (neither on or off the LOS) That player has committed a illegal formation foul which makes him an ineligible, correct?

I don't agree but I see your point. If the player lines up correctly and he has an eligible number then the player is eligible by position and number. No foul for OPI. 7-5-6.

[yankeesfan]

what would the penalty be if he catches a touchdown?

[buckrog64]

Almost sounds like a substitution/participation infraction to me. Moreso than a formation foul. Have to look this one up.

[BoBo]

I would call dead ball illegal substitution. No player may leave the field and come back into the game on the same play or dead ball period. No book right now but could come back in if there is an accepted penalty, timeout called. But once he leaves he must be out for that play except for the previous exceptions. There are a couple of more just dont have the book.

Originally posted by BoBo
I would call dead ball illegal substitution. No player may leave the field and come back into the game on the same play or dead ball period. No book right now but could come back in if there is an accepted penalty, timeout called. But once he leaves he must be out for that play except for the previous exceptions. There are a couple of more just dont have the book.

I have to kinda go with BoBo on this one. Shouldn't we bang this
guy once he re-entered? for illegal substitution. instead letting it run into illegal formation?


ART. 3 . . . During the same dead-ball interval, no substitute shall become a player and then withdraw and no player shall withdraw and re-enter as a substitute unless a penalty is accepted, a dead-ball foul occurs, there is a charged time-out or the period ends.

[yankeesfan]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by tpaul

Originally posted by BoBo
I would call dead ball illegal substitution. No player may leave the field and come back into the game on the same play or dead ball period. No book right now but could come back in if there is an accepted penalty, timeout called. But once he leaves he must be out for that play except for the previous exceptions. There are a couple of more just dont have the book.

I have to kinda go with BoBo on this one. Shouldn't we bang this
guy once he re-entered? for illegal substitution. instead letting it run into illegal formation?


ART. 3 . . . During the same dead-ball interval, no substitute shall become a player and then withdraw and no player shall withdraw and re-enter as a substitute unless a penalty is accepted, a dead-ball foul occurs, there is a charged time-out or the period ends. [/QUOTE

the player can actually still become legal if he was to go in motion and get in between the numbers. this has to be a live ball situation.

Originally posted by yankeesfan
[the player can actually still become legal if he was to go in motion and get in between the numbers. this has to be a live ball situation. [/B]

I wasn't talking about the illegal formation. A11 withdrew and re-enter. Shouldn't that be illegal substitution?