untimed down or not?

[Daryl H. Long]

Originally posted by Patton
[B]Daryl,

NO untimed down in Yankeesfan's situation. He had a dead ball penalty in his situation.

Casebook play 3.3.3 Situation C has a live ball penalty that occurred DURING the last timed down.

Not convinced. See casebook 3.3.3 Situation E

I agree. Dead ball foul = no untimed down.

Thanks for the reminder it was a dead ball foul. My previous reply obviously was for a live ball foul. No excuse on my part for answering as if live ball as the sitch clearly stated it was a dead ball late hit.

Nice touch at the end with the "not convinced" line. I deserved it.