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RedCisc Wed Aug 17, 2005 04:07pm

I'm a new official so if this question seems stupid please excuse me.

If there is a 15 yard face mask penalty during a run from scrimmage that results in a touchdown is it assessed from the succeeding spot (the PAT) or the kickoff?

michaelpr Wed Aug 17, 2005 04:11pm

pat

JugglingReferee Wed Aug 17, 2005 05:32pm

Canadian Ruling
 
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Originally posted by RedCisc
I'm a new official so if this question seems stupid please excuse me.

If there is a 15 yard face mask penalty during a run from scrimmage that results in a touchdown is it assessed from the succeeding spot (the PAT) or the kickoff?

PAT or KO. 8.5.10.Note

WhistlesAndStripes Wed Aug 17, 2005 05:59pm

Is it assessed on the PAT ALWAYS under FED, or is there an option like there is in Canada?

KWH Wed Aug 17, 2005 06:17pm

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Originally posted by Whistles & Stripes
Is it assessed on the PAT ALWAYS under FED, or is there an option like there is in Canada?
While there may be options under other codes, the NFHS only allows the offended team succeeding spot enforcment (the try) or decline the penalty.
<b>Restated: There is never an option to carry over a penalty to the kickoff for fouls by the opponent of the scoring team occuring during a touchdown scoring play.</b>
For the complete rule see NFHS 8-2-2 (Page 59 in 2005 rule book)

JugglingReferee Thu Aug 18, 2005 12:50pm

Assuming that a facemask qualifies as a foul for this type of play:

I have a problem with no option but the PAT.

There gives the D the ability to facemask, knowing that it's only going to be a 1.5 yard penalty, at most.

In Canada, you can go half the distance (from the 5), or the full 15 on the KO.

The Roamin' Umpire Thu Aug 18, 2005 01:07pm

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Originally posted by JugglingReferee
Assuming that a facemask qualifies as a foul for this type of play:

I have a problem with no option but the PAT.

There gives the D the ability to facemask, knowing that it's only going to be a 1.5 yard penalty, at most.

In Canada, you can go half the distance (from the 5), or the full 15 on the KO.

Lots of us working under the NF code have problems with it, too. It's certainly not the only problem, even. This one, I hope, will be corrected soon. I'm not sure it will be, though - NFHS doesn't seem eager to give options on penalty enforcements.

Forksref Sat Aug 20, 2005 09:24pm

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Originally posted by The Roamin' Umpire
Quote:

Originally posted by JugglingReferee
Assuming that a facemask qualifies as a foul for this type of play:

I have a problem with no option but the PAT.

There gives the D the ability to facemask, knowing that it's only going to be a 1.5 yard penalty, at most.

In Canada, you can go half the distance (from the 5), or the full 15 on the KO.

Lots of us working under the NF code have problems with it, too. It's certainly not the only problem, even. This one, I hope, will be corrected soon. I'm not sure it will be, though - NFHS doesn't seem eager to give options on penalty enforcements.

These scenarios involve the same concept as "half the distance" penalties. Personal foul on defense at the 5-yd line results in 2 1/2 yds of penalty, whereas on the offense it is 15 yds. What are ya gonna do? :)

Mark Dexter Sat Aug 20, 2005 09:47pm

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Originally posted by JugglingReferee
Assuming that a facemask qualifies as a foul for this type of play:

I have a problem with no option but the PAT.

There gives the D the ability to facemask, knowing that it's only going to be a 1.5 yard penalty, at most.

In Canada, you can go half the distance (from the 5), or the full 15 on the KO.


I agree, but it's better than what it used to be (free shot by anyone on the defense on a TD or PAT).


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