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ljudge Mon Aug 15, 2005 11:57am

I read a statement in this month's version of referee that the Fed has changed the rule slightly on DQ'd head coaches. It states that an assistant can no longer be designated as the HC and therefore any future TO's need to be called by a player. Is this in another thread? Either way, what have you heard in your interp meetings? My first meeting isn't until the 23rd.

JDLJ Mon Aug 15, 2005 12:15pm

At our interp meeting (Missouri) they confirmed that the asst coaches cannot call a TO after the head coach has been tossed.

Snake~eyes Mon Aug 15, 2005 12:41pm

That's correct, there is a case play with this ruling, I will try and find it.

EDIT: 3.5.2 Situation B

[Edited by Snake~eyes on Aug 15th, 2005 at 01:45 PM]

kentref Mon Aug 15, 2005 01:29pm

At an Iowa rules meeting Saturday it was stated that a designated head coach (after the head coach is ejected) can call a time out.
The Nebraska rules meeting last week - stated just the opposite - the designated coach (replacing the ejected head coach) can't call a time out.


Warrenkicker Mon Aug 15, 2005 01:40pm

Situation B play d) covers it pretty well ...the game cannot continue until a responsible person is assigned as the “new” head coach, but this person shall not be permitted to request a time-out.

The funny thing in my mind is that they specified this at our rules meeting this year that it was legal last year but I seem to remember them saying last year that we weren't supposed to let the replacement head coach call timeouts.

Bob M. Mon Aug 15, 2005 01:40pm

REPLY: What makes the problem bigger than it should be is that there was an intentional change made to the 2005 case book (play 3.5.2B that Snake-eyes cited) but there was no mention whatsoever of this as either a Rules Change or and Editorial Change. Next question is whether or not 'other' head coach privileges will be withdrawn from the newly designated head coach, e.g. the privilege of a coach/referee conference on a potential misapplication of a rule.

waltjp Mon Aug 15, 2005 02:03pm

I'd allow the 'new' head coach all of the privileges of the original head coach unless specifically disallowed by rule. In this case he can't call a TO but has the right to a coach/referee conference.

Bob M. Mon Aug 15, 2005 03:23pm

Quote:

Originally posted by waltjp
I'd allow the 'new' head coach all of the privileges of the original head coach unless specifically disallowed by rule. In this case he can't call a TO but has the right to a coach/referee conference.
REPLY: I agree Walt. I sort of said that with my tongue embedded firmly in my cheek.

andy1033 Mon Aug 15, 2005 04:53pm

timeouts
 
it clearly states that the head coach can call timeouts. I know about the case book play 3.5.2. But if you think about this why would you penalize a team for having the head coach ejected. I would recogize the new designated coach as the head coach and allow him/her to call time outs per the rule book.

waltjp Mon Aug 15, 2005 05:10pm

Re: timeouts
 
Quote:

Originally posted by andy1033
it clearly states that the head coach can call timeouts. I know about the case book play 3.5.2. But if you think about this why would you penalize a team for having the head coach ejected. I would recogize the new designated coach as the head coach and allow him/her to call time outs per the rule book.
If you did so you'd be violating Case Book 3.5.2B, which clearly states that the new head coach cannot call a time out when the original head coach is disqualified.

andy1033 Mon Aug 15, 2005 05:15pm

case book
 
With all the errors in the case book one more would not suprise me. This is the case book not the rule book.

RedCisc Mon Aug 15, 2005 05:30pm

Case book vs. Rule book
 
As a brand new official I find it interesting that the case book would give a situation that does not seem to have a direct correlation back to the Rule book.

ljudge Mon Aug 15, 2005 05:48pm

You find it intesting, we veterans find it incredibly annoying and so will you! So, be careful what you read and check the fed site for changes. If you get confused and something doesn't look correct please don't hesitate to put a question on this board. There are some very knowledgable officials on this board who will be very willing to answer your questions so use this as a valuable resource.

And, the very best of luck to you!

WyMike Mon Aug 15, 2005 08:37pm

Keep in mind this applies as well if the HC is up in the box as well. Then a player will need to call the TO.

WM

Snake~eyes Mon Aug 15, 2005 10:31pm

Re: timeouts
 
Quote:

Originally posted by andy1033
But if you think about this why would you penalize a team for having the head coach ejected.
I have read this and thought about it. If a HC gets ejected then that is just another penalty. I don't really get your statement, if a HC is ejected and the team looses its oppurtunity to call timeout from the sideline then tough luck.


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