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Smiley Fri Oct 22, 2004 07:47pm

Watching the Louisville-USFgame. Why are the wing officials and the umpire holding up their hands when they blow their whistles at the end of the down?

jack015 Sun Oct 24, 2004 10:35am

I presume that you are refering to the "dead ball" signal. Gerald Austin (NFL Referee #34) is the CUSA FB official's supervisor. That is an NFL mechanic to indicate that the ball is dead inbounds and to start the 40 second play clock in the NFL, even though it is not necessary in NCAA or NF play. If you watch the CUSA officials, they use other NFL mechanics such as using their hat to indicate that a receiver has gone out of bounds on his own.

chiefgil Sun Oct 24, 2004 10:42am

Tulane-UAB
 
In the C-USA Tulane-UAB game, the wing officials did not very many opportunities to raise their hands.

Final: Tulane 59
UAB 55

I don't think anybody was tackled in-bounds.


Theisey Sun Oct 24, 2004 11:20am

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Originally posted by jack015
I presume that you are refering to the "dead ball" signal. Gerald Austin (NFL Referee #34) is the CUSA FB official's supervisor. That is an NFL mechanic to indicate that the ball is dead inbounds and to start the 40 second play clock in the NFL, even though it is not necessary in NCAA or NF play. If you watch the CUSA officials, they use other NFL mechanics such as using their hat to indicate that a receiver has gone out of bounds on his own.
### The "Hat" toss is now standard NCAA mechanics. Yes, it filtered down from the NFL.

Smiley Sun Oct 24, 2004 12:15pm

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Originally posted by jack015
I presume that you are refering to the "dead ball" signal. Gerald Austin (NFL Referee #34) is the CUSA FB official's supervisor. That is an NFL mechanic to indicate that the ball is dead inbounds and to start the 40 second play clock in the NFL, even though it is not necessary in NCAA or NF play. If you watch the CUSA officials, they use other NFL mechanics such as using their hat to indicate that a receiver has gone out of bounds on his own.
Thanks. That's what it looked like. Just doesn't make sense when there is no 40-second clock.

Bob M. Mon Oct 25, 2004 11:09am

REPLY: I have a friend in C-USA. They also use blue bean bags like the NFL.

JasonTX Mon Oct 25, 2004 01:40pm

I seen the R indicate "television timeout" just like the NFL. Looks like an Unsportsmanlike Conduct signal.

PSU213 Tue Oct 26, 2004 12:12am

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Originally posted by Smiley
Watching the Louisville-USFgame. Why are the wing officials and the umpire holding up their hands when they blow their whistles at the end of the down?
I just saw a few plays from the Syracuse/West Virginia game last Thursday, and the U (a Big East Crew), also put his hand up at the end of the play. Not that this looks bad in some way, it just looks kinda "dumb" when only one official is doing that.

In re. to the bean bags, I know in the Big 10 they are also using blue bean bags.

Rich Tue Oct 26, 2004 08:27am

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Originally posted by Smiley
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Originally posted by jack015
I presume that you are refering to the "dead ball" signal. Gerald Austin (NFL Referee #34) is the CUSA FB official's supervisor. That is an NFL mechanic to indicate that the ball is dead inbounds and to start the 40 second play clock in the NFL, even though it is not necessary in NCAA or NF play. If you watch the CUSA officials, they use other NFL mechanics such as using their hat to indicate that a receiver has gone out of bounds on his own.
Thanks. That's what it looked like. Just doesn't make sense when there is no 40-second clock.

Why not? I think it's a great visual when watching film/TV. It says "the play is over."

Not all NFL mechanics are dumb and the NFL was using this LONG BEFORE there was a play clock that started with this signal.

--Rich

PSU213 Tue Oct 26, 2004 11:17pm

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Originally posted by Rich Fronheiser
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Originally posted by Smiley
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Originally posted by jack015
I presume that you are refering to the "dead ball" signal. Gerald Austin (NFL Referee #34) is the CUSA FB official's supervisor. That is an NFL mechanic to indicate that the ball is dead inbounds and to start the 40 second play clock in the NFL, even though it is not necessary in NCAA or NF play. If you watch the CUSA officials, they use other NFL mechanics such as using their hat to indicate that a receiver has gone out of bounds on his own.
Thanks. That's what it looked like. Just doesn't make sense when there is no 40-second clock.

Why not? I think it's a great visual when watching film/TV. It says "the play is over."

Not all NFL mechanics are dumb and the NFL was using this LONG BEFORE there was a play clock that started with this signal.

--Rich

I don't think the mechanic in and of itself is "dumb" (not my best choice of words, but oh well); I just don't think it looks too good when one official is doing it, and the others are not.

Forksref Tue Oct 26, 2004 11:42pm

Seems to me we used to do that in NF about 30 years ago when I started doing FB.

Anyone else remember?

KSRef Wed Oct 27, 2004 07:50am

We sure did. But has it been 30 years??????

Forksref Wed Oct 27, 2004 08:34am

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Originally posted by KSRef
We sure did. But has it been 30 years??????

I can't remember when we stopped, but I know we did it way back when. Back then we had no stripes on our socks. I must be showing my age!

KSRef Wed Oct 27, 2004 09:15am

No stripes and we wore white socks over our black stirrups. We also used red penalty flags.

Forksref Wed Oct 27, 2004 10:32am

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Originally posted by KSRef
No stripes and we wore white socks over our black stirrups. We also used red penalty flags.
Amen on the stirrups. I remember seeing red flags when I was a kid. I still think that red flags would be appropriate on a dry field for an afternoon game. The yellow is hard to see against the "straw."


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