Correct enforcement?

Hand Signals · #1 (**permalink**) Fri Oct 22, 2004, 12:22pm

3rd & 20 from A's 10 yd line. Running play gains 2. I threw a flag for facemask (15 yd.) We walked off an additional 15 from the end of the run and replayed the down making it 3rd & 3. Was this correct? At halftime we were questioned why it wasn't an automatic 1st down. I said that penalty didn't warrant an automatic first down and the distance didn't give them the first. Was I correct?

MI Official · #2 (**permalink**) Fri Oct 22, 2004, 12:26pm

I would say yes, since it was a live ball foul, end of run/repeat down. if they don't mak eth line to gain its not a first. I believe the only autmatic is DPI...

Hand Signals · #3 (**permalink**) Fri Oct 22, 2004, 12:30pm

Also all roughing penalties are Automatic 1st aren't they? (Kicker, Passer, Snapper)

Warrenkicker · #4 (**permalink**) Fri Oct 22, 2004, 12:39pm

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Originally posted by Hand Signals
3rd & 20 from A's 10 yd line. Running play gains 2. I threw a flag for facemask (15 yd.) We walked off an additional 15 from the end of the run and replayed the down making it 3rd & 3. Was this correct? At halftime we were questioned why it wasn't an automatic 1st down. I said that penalty didn't warrant an automatic first down and the distance didn't give them the first. Was I correct?

You were correct. College rules allow for an automatic first down on personal fouls. High school rules don't and that is where the fans get confused.

Automatic first downs in NF are DPI and the 4 roughings, passer, kicker, snapper, and holder.

Snake~eyes · #5 (**permalink**) Fri Oct 22, 2004, 12:59pm

Yes, that's correct.

DPI and Roughings are the only automatic first downs. The other one you didn't mention is holder!

Rich · #6 (**permalink**) Fri Oct 22, 2004, 01:01pm

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Originally posted by Hand Signals
3rd & 20 from A's 10 yd line. Running play gains 2. I threw a flag for facemask (15 yd.) We walked off an additional 15 from the end of the run and replayed the down making it 3rd & 3. Was this correct? At halftime we were questioned why it wasn't an automatic 1st down. I said that penalty didn't warrant an automatic first down and the distance didn't give them the first. Was I correct?

Warren's answer is correct. Only five automatics in FED football, and four of them are roughing penalties.

I had a 3rd and goal from the 5 a few weeks ago and an A runner got hit late out of bounds. Half the distance, replay third down. Pretty basic HS call, but for some reason everyone thinks that this is NCAA or the NFL and they think there should be a 1st down.

Deep · #7 (**permalink**) Fri Oct 22, 2004, 01:13pm

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Originally posted by Hand Signals
3rd & 20 from A's 10 yd line. Running play gains 2. I threw a flag for facemask (15 yd.) We walked off an additional 15 from the end of the run and replayed the down making it 3rd & 3. Was this correct? At halftime we were questioned why it wasn't an automatic 1st down. I said that penalty didn't warrant an automatic first down and the distance didn't give them the first. Was I correct?

Warren's answer is correct. Only five automatics in FED football, and four of them are roughing penalties.

I had a 3rd and goal from the 5 a few weeks ago and an A runner got hit late out of bounds. Half the distance, replay third down. Pretty basic HS call, but for some reason everyone thinks that this is NCAA or the NFL and they think there should be a 1st down.

No replay on this though, Rich. This is a dead ball foul.

Snake~eyes · #8 (**permalink**) Fri Oct 22, 2004, 03:08pm

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Originally posted by Rich Fronheiser

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Originally posted by Hand Signals
3rd & 20 from A's 10 yd line. Running play gains 2. I threw a flag for facemask (15 yd.) We walked off an additional 15 from the end of the run and replayed the down making it 3rd & 3. Was this correct? At halftime we were questioned why it wasn't an automatic 1st down. I said that penalty didn't warrant an automatic first down and the distance didn't give them the first. Was I correct?

Warren's answer is correct. Only five automatics in FED football, and four of them are roughing penalties.

I had a 3rd and goal from the 5 a few weeks ago and an A runner got hit late out of bounds. Half the distance, replay third down. Pretty basic HS call, but for some reason everyone thinks that this is NCAA or the NFL and they think there should be a 1st down.

No replay on this though, Rich. This is a dead ball foul.

I agree, deadball foul so you shouldn't replay. Should be 4th down.