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jjb Sun Oct 10, 2004 07:18pm

Team A breaks the huddle with 11 players. A member of Team A runs from the team box onto the playing field with the intention of replacing the wide reciever on the opposite side of the field. As the WH is scanning the field ( probably recounting ) A's quarterback asks for and is granted a timeout. Any infraction ?

BktBallRef Sun Oct 10, 2004 07:40pm

Not from me.

Snake~eyes Sun Oct 10, 2004 07:43pm

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Originally posted by BktBallRef
Not from me.
Same here, he didn't even need to call the TO imo, but once he is granted the timeout you can't call illegal substitution any how.

chiefgil Sun Oct 10, 2004 08:10pm

No foul, 2nd down

Patton Sun Oct 10, 2004 10:53pm

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Originally posted by chiefgil
No foul, 2nd down
Why 2nd down? Down wasn't stated. :)

Snake~eyes Mon Oct 11, 2004 11:33am

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Originally posted by Patton
Quote:

Originally posted by chiefgil
No foul, 2nd down
Why 2nd down? Down wasn't stated. :)

Definitely 2nd down.

Jim S Mon Oct 11, 2004 12:33pm

Wouldn't be an infraction if the T.O. hadn't been called. The substitution becomes effective when the substitute, in this case, either communicates the substitution, takes a position in the formation, or participates in the play. Simply being the 12th player on the field in not a foul yet.
He could go all the way across the field to communicate with the player he is replacing. Then the replaced player must leave. All the way back across the field. All with no foul as long as the replaced is off before the snap.
A substitute also becomes a player when he enters the huddle.

Hand Signals Mon Oct 11, 2004 01:47pm

3rd down!

Forksref Wed Oct 13, 2004 04:51pm

Untimed down!

jumpmaster Wed Oct 13, 2004 05:40pm

5th down!


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