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Ed Hickland Sun Oct 03, 2004 09:21pm

Before the snap. A makes a false start. B has twelve men in the formation.

How and who do you penalize?

JugglingReferee Sun Oct 03, 2004 10:01pm

Canadian Ruling
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Ed Hickland
Before the snap. A makes a false start. B has twelve men in the formation.

How and who do you penalize?

The Cdn. equiv would be:

Before the snap, A commits illegal procedure. B has thirteen men in the formation.

How and who do you penalize?


Ruling: Since there was no snap due to the dead-ball illegal procedure flag, there is no foul for illegal substitution (too many men) on B.

5 yards, down repeated.

PSU213 Sun Oct 03, 2004 10:30pm

Quote:

Originally posted by Ed Hickland
Before the snap. A makes a false start. B has twelve men in the formation.

How and who do you penalize?

NF rules.

Rule 3-7-2 says in part that "replaced players must leave the field immediately." If B actually got into their formation with 12 people (and I heard about a subvarsity game with a female player, so I'd better said "people"), then someone did not leave "immediately." That being said, this was a foul before the FS, so I would penalize the illegal substitution.

mcrowder Mon Oct 04, 2004 09:19am

I can't see any situation where you have fouls on both. You have to decide - did B have 12 out there illegally (someone didn't leave immediately when substituted for) - if so, you flag them. If B had 12 out there, but one was still leaving, there was no legal snap - so you have False start on A.

Sounds like, in this situation, since you say "12 in the formation", that you have an immediate foul there on defense for illegal substitute, and the false start never really happened.


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