Ok.. Called a Pee Wee game as a favor, and from what I have read on here I should have known better. Coach could not understand penalty enforcement so I told him after the game, that I would set-up the situation on here, not provide an answer and have the fellow officials make the call so that there was no bias. Apparently he is rather bull headed.. so here goes.

A's ball 3-4 at their own 25 yard line. Running play goes to A's 47 where runner is tackled. During the running play there is a holding call at A's 42 yard line. Please state the down and distance to go please.

Hope he reads this for his own good... and thanks.


My apologies....the down and distance aoriginally should have been 3-14... not 3-4. I should have reviewed the post.

[Edited by texoma_lj on Oct 1st, 2004 at 12:23 PM]

We have holding on the offense, 10 yards from the spot of the foul (A's 42).

Results with the ball at A's 32 yardline.

1st and 10 (since the previous line to gain was A's 29)

If I understand your situation correctly

Running play. End of the run is the A47. Spot of foul is the A42. All-but-one principle so "stiff" the offense. 1st down and 10 from the A32.

Let's have some of the really new officials answer this..
It give them a chance to show their stuff.


(out of curiosity, how did this coach see the penalty being enforced?)

1/10 ball at 32.

10 Yards from spot of foul.

After penalty, did not reach first down.

Now it is 4-7 from the 32.

Yes that would be correct 4th and 7

OOPS, misread it, 4/7.

Theisey...
He stated that the down should be repeated which would make it 3-7.

I think it is holding behind the basic spot which is the end of the run. March back 10 yards from the 42 and it is 3 and 7 from the 32 y/l. (There is no loss of down on a holding penalty the last time I checked.)
How did you call it?
007

He was right. You can't take the penalty AND lose the down, unless it's a Loss Of Down penalty. THIRD and 7. I hope he reads this too.... you muffed it here.

Sorry Texoma, but I think the coach got ya' on this one.

On penalties against A with no change of posession the down should always be repeated unless you have a deadball/usc/nonplayer foul, roughing passer/kicker/holder/center, illegal forward pass, DPI/OPI or after the penalty enfrocement the team reached the first down. I think I covered everything.

3rd and 7.

OK, I blew that one