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I am a Basketball ref and a fan of football. I have always had this question in my mind and wondered how it would be called at the different levels: high school, college and pro. Here is the play.
Team A is out of timeouts and the clock is winding down toward the end of the game. Team A has the ball and throws a long pass down the middle to A1 who catches it and runs to about the 20 yard line. A1 sees he has no chance to get out of bounds and throws the ball backwards such that it goes oob around the 23 yard line. It is like he is purposely lateraling the ball to no one such that the ball goes oob. What is the ruling? Legal? Will this play stop the clock? What if A1 is in the process of being tackled (momentum still going forward) and chucks the ball oob?
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Tue Sep 28, 2004, 11:39am
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i'd apply rule 3-6-3:
When a team attempts to conserve or consume time illegally, the referee shall order the clock started or stopped.
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REPLY: The answer to your question is, "It depends..." In Federation rules (most high schools) he's performed a perfectly legal act and bought himself some time. The official cannot apply NF 3-6-3 in such a case. The only discretion that the R has for starting the clock on the ready in such a case would be if the act was illegal. It wasn't, so the R must keep the clock stopped until the snap. In NCAA rules, throwing the ball backwards out of bounds is an illegal pass. The penalty is 5 yds from the spot of the pass and loss of down, unless A ends up with the ball beyond the line to gain after enforcement. In such a case, the loss of down is ignored. However, NCAA 3-4-3 would allow the R to start the clock on the ready because of the illegal pass. Sorry, I don't know how this would be handled in the NFL.
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Tue Sep 28, 2004, 12:05pm
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I believe the NFL rule is very similar to the NCAA rule.
I don't have my NFL rulebook with me, but I believe they wouldn't stop the clock if a fumble or backwards pass goes out of bounds. I will check and see how it is handled and post with a definite answer.
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Tue Sep 28, 2004, 12:58pm
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Tue Sep 28, 2004, 01:43pm
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No foul. Clock stops but starts when ball is placed. True only during last 2 minutes of either half.
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Tue Sep 28, 2004, 02:21pm
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guess i was wrong again.....but i love the case plays - i love diving into the books and finding rules - and finding how to correctly apply those rules.
our association has stopped our meetings with just half the season over - we have no more opportunity to discuss these plays.....
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Tue Sep 28, 2004, 10:35pm
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Canadian Ruling
Downs continue fromt eh 23. Clock on thr snap.
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Thu Sep 30, 2004, 05:22am
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Sat Oct 02, 2004, 05:56am
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 Seriously, what's the best/cheapest way to get a copy of the NFL book? Not the digest either. Thanks, Jonathan
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Sat Oct 02, 2004, 09:32am
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NFHS 7-5-2
This rule addresses forward passes being thrown into an area where ther is no receiver.
Rule 7-4 talks about backward passes.
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Sun Oct 03, 2004, 09:17am
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Talk about a rule book full of exceptions and penalty enforcement that is often confusing at best.
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