Unsportsman like conduct

footballfanatic · #1 (**permalink**) Mon Sep 20, 2004, 08:28pm

My son received an ejection for unsportsman like conduct this week. I was taping the game an have the opposing player grabbing and pulling on his helmet. I have 2 questions 1) Why is only 1 player penalized 2) When a player is ejected he is automatically out the next game also no matter when in the game the call occurs??????

Theisey · #2 (**permalink**) Mon Sep 20, 2004, 08:42pm

Well here is why this usually happens especially with 4 or less officials on the game.
The down ends, maybe its a long run, the officials are converging on the next spot and eyes are not properly focused to do what we call dead ball officiating. So, player-X does something to incite player-Y who decides to do something about it. Now what happens is that official#1 sees that and out pops the flag on Player-Y.

It takes TWO USC fouls on a player before he is DQ'd, so I'm thinking this DQ was for a striking blow (whether contact is made or not) and he actually was flagged for a personal foul requring an ejection.
Hopefully you now see why in your question #1 only player was flagged.

As far as your question #2, the answer is most likely yes, he is out for the next game or more no matter when during the game the foul was flagged by the official.
However, league and state policy dicatate that, not NF Football rules.

[Edited by Theisey on Sep 20th, 2004 at 09:48 PM]

Axe Man · #3 (**permalink**) Mon Sep 20, 2004, 08:45pm

As most of the replys you will get on your post will say, I was not there and have no idea what the official who made the call saw or heard. Whatever your son did after the contact you described was defined by the official as being flagrant enough to warrent an ejection.

As far as setting out a game, that rule comes from the state association, not the National Rederation rule book. My state, Indiana, does require an ejected player to not play the entire game following the ejection. Or, in case of an appeal, the game following the appeal.

JRutledge · #4 (**permalink**) Mon Sep 20, 2004, 08:45pm

Unsportsmanlike penalties are non-contact fouls. So your son must have said something that brought the attention of the officials.

I did not see the first action, but sometimes the contact is just apart of football. The players are sometimes unaware that the play is over and still "chicken fighting" after the play is over. So I am going to assume that your son said something after that and warranted a flag. Unless you were close enough to hear what was said, everything else is speculation

Peace

JRutledge · #5 (**permalink**) Mon Sep 20, 2004, 08:49pm

Quote:

Originally posted by Theisey
It takes TWO USC fouls on a player before he is DQ'd, so I'm thinking this DQ was for a striking blow (whether contact is made or not) and he actually was flagged for a personal foul requring an ejection.
Hopefully you know see why in your question #1 only player was flagged.

You can get called for a USC Penalty that is flagrant. It can take just one if you do the wrong thing.

Peace

Ed Maeder · #6 (**permalink**) Mon Sep 20, 2004, 08:59pm

Did you ask your son what he did? Football is a very tough sport and sometimes retaliation is what gets flagged because that is what sticks out more then the original contact. We don't have the ability to use video during a game and I'm sure if the officials saw what you have they may have ruled differently. We also learn from our mistakes and films are a very good teaching tool for us.

[Edited by Ed Maeder on Sep 20th, 2004 at 10:09 PM]

Theisey · #7 (**permalink**) Mon Sep 20, 2004, 09:55pm

You're right Rut, a flagrant UC foul can result in a DQ.
Problem I have is after looking closely at the list of UC fouls for players, based on the acts or exmaples given, I'm having a hard time figuring out which one of those listed could be flagrant. Anyone have an exmaple of a flagrant UC for any of those listed in rule 9-5-1 or 9-5-2?

JRutledge · #8 (**permalink**) Mon Sep 20, 2004, 10:09pm

It is not the act alone. It is the severity of the act. Some officials think dropping the F-bomb would be flagrant. I might not personally agree with that, but that is the official's judgment as to what is flagrant or not.

Peace

PSU213 · #9 (**permalink**) Mon Sep 20, 2004, 10:12pm

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Originally posted by Theisey
You're right Rut, a flagrant UC foul can result in a DQ.
Problem I have is after looking closely at the list of UC fouls for players, based on the acts or exmaples given, I'm having a hard time figuring out which one of those listed could be flagrant. Anyone have an exmaple of a flagrant UC for any of those listed in rule 9-5-1 or 9-5-2?

I was doing a youth game, and one player threw a temper tantrum. I don't recall what set him off, but he swore quite a bit, and he took off his helmet/jersey/pads and threw them down. He probably earned more than one USC, but we only "gave" him one and threw him out of the game.

mikesears · #10 (**permalink**) Tue Sep 21, 2004, 06:49am

Quote:

Originally posted by Theisey
You're right Rut, a flagrant UC foul can result in a DQ.
Problem I have is after looking closely at the list of UC fouls for players, based on the acts or exmaples given, I'm having a hard time figuring out which one of those listed could be flagrant. Anyone have an exmaple of a flagrant UC for any of those listed in rule 9-5-1 or 9-5-2?

If a player comes up to me and shouts at the top of his voice, "You are a f****** lunatic and a terrible official", I'm tossing him.

mcrowder · #11 (**permalink**) Tue Sep 21, 2004, 07:58am

For which offense, Mike - calling you a F***** lunatic, or for calling you a terrible official?

Snake~eyes · #12 (**permalink**) Tue Sep 21, 2004, 08:59am

I feel the same way Mike, defintiely a flagrant USC.

mikesears · #13 (**permalink**) Tue Sep 21, 2004, 09:29am

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Originally posted by mcrowder
For which offense, Mike - calling you a F***** lunatic, or for calling you a terrible official?

I already know I'm a lunatic. Why else would I officiate football?

Theisey · #14 (**permalink**) Tue Sep 21, 2004, 09:41am

I just don't see it that way, I think the rule is too subjective and I'll bet inconsistently enforced across the country.
I need a better defintion of a flagrant as it applies to a UC type foul. I don't see any of those as defined as being flagrant.
I'll toss him after two UC fouls, but not for one.

chris s · #15 (**permalink**) Tue Sep 21, 2004, 09:56am

Another way, pop-warner playoffs 2 years ago.Very first scrimmage play, sweep around the right side. Kid gets bout 5 yards, next thing I know, WR and DB are doing the "chicken-scratch", looked like a couple girls going at it. I toss hanky, offset two PF's and sent each kid to explain to his coach why he is siting out a play. Technically, should have tossed both for fighting(NF rules). Same day, different game. Team B is getting it handed to them by Oak Grove Midgets(San Jose area, Ca) Couple minutes left in 4th, D calls T/O, ball is at the 2 or so. I hit the ready and MLB shoots the NZ and helmet to helmet the center, just cleans his clock......flag and thumb at same time. Seemed like D was out for something, kinda like in baseball when F1 and F2 and pitching coach get together and next pitch is in batters ear..........