My son received an ejection for unsportsman like conduct this week. I was taping the game an have the opposing player grabbing and pulling on his helmet. I have 2 questions 1) Why is only 1 player penalized 2) When a player is ejected he is automatically out the next game also no matter when in the game the call occurs??????

Well here is why this usually happens especially with 4 or less officials on the game.
The down ends, maybe its a long run, the officials are converging on the next spot and eyes are not properly focused to do what we call dead ball officiating. So, player-X does something to incite player-Y who decides to do something about it. Now what happens is that official#1 sees that and out pops the flag on Player-Y.

It takes TWO USC fouls on a player before he is DQ'd, so I'm thinking this DQ was for a striking blow (whether contact is made or not) and he actually was flagged for a personal foul requring an ejection.
Hopefully you now see why in your question #1 only player was flagged.

As far as your question #2, the answer is most likely yes, he is out for the next game or more no matter when during the game the foul was flagged by the official.
However, league and state policy dicatate that, not NF Football rules.

[Edited by Theisey on Sep 20th, 2004 at 09:48 PM]

As most of the replys you will get on your post will say, I was not there and have no idea what the official who made the call saw or heard. Whatever your son did after the contact you described was defined by the official as being flagrant enough to warrent an ejection.

As far as setting out a game, that rule comes from the state association, not the National Rederation rule book. My state, Indiana, does require an ejected player to not play the entire game following the ejection. Or, in case of an appeal, the game following the appeal.

Unsportsmanlike penalties are non-contact fouls. So your son must have said something that brought the attention of the officials.

I did not see the first action, but sometimes the contact is just apart of football. The players are sometimes unaware that the play is over and still "chicken fighting" after the play is over. So I am going to assume that your son said something after that and warranted a flag. Unless you were close enough to hear what was said, everything else is speculation

Peace

Not true.
 

You can get called for a USC Penalty that is flagrant. It can take just one if you do the wrong thing.

Peace

Did you ask your son what he did? Football is a very tough sport and sometimes retaliation is what gets flagged because that is what sticks out more then the original contact. We don't have the ability to use video during a game and I'm sure if the officials saw what you have they may have ruled differently. We also learn from our mistakes and films are a very good teaching tool for us.

[Edited by Ed Maeder on Sep 20th, 2004 at 10:09 PM]

You're right Rut, a flagrant UC foul can result in a DQ.
Problem I have is after looking closely at the list of UC fouls for players, based on the acts or exmaples given, I'm having a hard time figuring out which one of those listed could be flagrant. Anyone have an exmaple of a flagrant UC for any of those listed in rule 9-5-1 or 9-5-2?

Official's decision.
 

It is not the act alone. It is the severity of the act. Some officials think dropping the F-bomb would be flagrant. I might not personally agree with that, but that is the official's judgment as to what is flagrant or not.

Peace

I was doing a youth game, and one player threw a temper tantrum. I don't recall what set him off, but he swore quite a bit, and he took off his helmet/jersey/pads and threw them down. He probably earned more than one USC, but we only "gave" him one and threw him out of the game.

If a player comes up to me and shouts at the top of his voice, "You are a f****** lunatic and a terrible official", I'm tossing him.

For which offense, Mike - calling you a F***** lunatic, or for calling you a terrible official? :)

I feel the same way Mike, defintiely a flagrant USC.

:D

I already know I'm a lunatic. Why else would I officiate football?

I just don't see it that way, I think the rule is too subjective and I'll bet inconsistently enforced across the country.
I need a better defintion of a flagrant as it applies to a UC type foul. I don't see any of those as defined as being flagrant.
I'll toss him after two UC fouls, but not for one.

Another way, pop-warner playoffs 2 years ago.Very first scrimmage play, sweep around the right side. Kid gets bout 5 yards, next thing I know, WR and DB are doing the "chicken-scratch", looked like a couple girls going at it. I toss hanky, offset two PF's and sent each kid to explain to his coach why he is siting out a play. Technically, should have tossed both for fighting(NF rules). Same day, different game. Team B is getting it handed to them by Oak Grove Midgets(San Jose area, Ca) Couple minutes left in 4th, D calls T/O, ball is at the 2 or so. I hit the ready and MLB shoots the NZ and helmet to helmet the center, just cleans his clock......flag and thumb at same time. Seemed like D was out for something, kinda like in baseball when F1 and F2 and pitching coach get together and next pitch is in batters ear..........

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Mike, bet your primary position is umpire.....true lunacy.....LOL

Flagrant definitely is in the eye of the beholder - but much like the Supreme Court justice and obscenity, "I know it when I see it." Here are a few over-the-top examples that I think should warrant an automatic ejection on any field:
<ul>
<li>A player or coach, in addition to directing large quantity of profanity directly at an official, throws in a ethnic slur or two for good measure.
<li>A coach makes a serious attempt to bribe an official.
<li>A player who scored spends enough time taunting the other team that the try is notably delayed. (e.g. running up the opponents' entire sideline waving the ball in their faces)
</ul>
For me, these are all well past the point of ejection and into the realm of contacting the school AD & principal. Your mileage, of course, may vary.

Anybody happen to notice that there was not necessarily a foul against the other player in the original post?
Grabbing and pulling on the helmet during a tackle is not a foul. Doing it to the fask mask, or helmet opening, is a foul. But you may 'tackle' the helmet Dad.

Hey Chris... SCVFOA?

[QUOTE]Originally posted by The Roamin' Umpire
[B]Pre-game conference with a coach last Friday night. He goes into his pocket to pull out his captains list and a $5 bill drops on the ground. I reached down, picked it up, handed it back to him. "Coach, that's only a buck a piece,! You're gonna have try better than that!"

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Penninsula Sports, Monterey....Assuming you are in San Jose??? Fermar is up there, no?

First of all Dad, as someone said grabbing and pulling on the helmet is not a penalty. Grabbing a helmet opening is a penalty. I am sure your son probably felt the pressure and rather than get up and walk away he probably added some comment that warranted ejection.

This season I took time out of my schedule and lectured a group of players and their parents on equipment, fouls, penalties, etc. Maybe you could suggest to the people who run the league to have one of the officials do the same for your league.

The ejection penalty in football depends upon the governing body but most give a mandatory one game for an ejection.

Is it fair?

Absolutely. In high school and college sports are suppose to be about sportsmanship and what better way to drill it into a player's head than to make them sit out a complete game.

Wonder if anybody keeps stats on how many players are ejected for misconduct twice in their high school or college career?