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[F C E]

On a field goal attempt in overtime from R's 35, team K kicks a high blooper attempt which is eventually unsuccessful not going into end zone. While the kick was in flight K2 had run to R's 10 where R2 blocked K2 below the waist. Do we have psk foul and where would penalty be enforced from .

[yankeesfan]

yes, this is a psk if R did have possession of the ball when the ball became dead. the enforcement spot would be either the spot of the foul or end of run, whatever hurts them the most.

[ljudge]

How can you have that, yankeesfan? It's O/T. R will now have the ball for a new series but I'm not sure where to enforce from. Anyone know? Enforce from the succeeding spot (10 or 25 depending on various state rules) to start the new series?

[Theisey]

Except for NCAA rules, where PSK is not applied in Extra Periods, the question is not one easily answered.

The "Why" is because NF only has a suggested OT proceedure in their books and NF states are free to come up with their own OT rules. Any one could have some unique way of handling a foul during a scrimmage kick (FG attempt).

[ljudge]

I'm asking what is the proper enforcement if R (B) gets the ball for the start of its series.

[James Neil]

Originally posted by F C E
On a field goal attempt in overtime from R's 35, team K kicks a high blooper attempt which is eventually unsuccessful not going into end zone. While the kick was in flight K2 had run to R's 10 where R2 blocked K2 below the waist. Do we have psk foul and where would penalty be enforced from .

I don’t have my “Books” with me, but one thing I’m pretty sure about is PSK doesn’t apply in overtime. So I’d enforce this from the previous spot, just as I would for any other non-PSK foul during a loose ball play.

[James Neil]

Originally posted by ljudge
I'm asking what is the proper enforcement if R (B) gets the ball for the start of its series.

I don’t see any way R ending up with the ball unless K declines the foul . If that’s the case , no enforcement

[James Neil]

Originally posted by yankeesfan
yes, this is a psk if R did have possession of the ball when the ball became dead. the enforcement spot would be either the spot of the foul or end of run, whatever hurts them the most.

Again I say I don’t believe PSK applies in NF overtime. But even if it did, enforcing it from the wherever it hurts them the most is not how you enforce PSK fouls and if that’s how you think you should be enforcing ANY foul you’re headed for big trouble. PSK fouls are enforced from the end of the kick if the foul was beyond the EOTK. .Enforce the foul from the spot of the foul if the foul is behind the EOTK.

[yankeesfan]

Originally posted by ljudge
How can you have that, yankeesfan? It's O/T. R will now have the ball for a new series but I'm not sure where to enforce from. Anyone know? Enforce from the succeeding spot (10 or 25 depending on various state rules) to start the new series?

i misread the part about overtime, i'm sorry.

[yankeesfan]

Originally posted by James Neil

Again I say I don’t believe PSK applies in NF overtime. But even if it did, enforcing it from the wherever it hurts them the most is not how you enforce PSK fouls and if that’s how you think you should be enforcing ANY foul you’re headed for big trouble. PSK fouls are enforced from the end of the kick if the foul was beyond the EOTK. .Enforce the foul from the spot of the foul if the foul is behind the EOTK.

hey james, you are right about the enforcement, it wouldnt be end of run, it would be end of kick. my mistake. i did not word that correctly.

[ABoselli]

Previous spot enforcement. There is no PSK spot here and you can't just let it go unpenalized.

[F C E]

Is there a ruling that states this? I cannot find it in the book . I do agree that it shoud be penalized from the previous spot.

[Bob M.]

REPLY: I agree with THeisey. The Fed can't really discuss this play in rule 10-4-3 since there is no required OT procedure in their book--just a recommendation. However, if you use the recommended procedure (1/G from B's 10) or the NCAA procedure (1/10 from B's 25; B can score) PSK just isn't possible, since B will not snap in continuous play. I agree with ABoselli that previous spot enforcement is probably the correct thing even though the Fed is silent on it.

[Deep]

I agree, also. There is no way to enforce PSK in the 10 yd OT. That leaves us the choice of enforcing from the previous spot or ignoring the foul. Since FED philosophy seems to be that no foul should be ignored, then this leaves us with a previous spot enforcement.

I believe this enforcement is also consistent with NCAA rules.