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Coach Gerry Faust Tue Mar 30, 2004 01:07pm

I encountered a situation last season during
a Junior Varsity High School Game.
Team A was down by 3 touchdowns going into the
Fourth Quarter.
With Possession,Team A's QB was sacked for 2
consecuative plays.
Showing signs of duress;the QB,while returning upfield
to the area where we spotted the ball, shouted at his
team to "Start F///// Blocking".
Team B was very amused and were laughing very loud.
Both sidelines did here the shouting and,the crowd in
the stands were also in augh.
As a crew we were stunned.
We spotted the ball.
Set the Play Clock and we finished the game a little
uneasy.
Three of us were teachers and, Team A and B were both
Catholic Schools.
How bad was that.
Would should we have done?
I think I should have stopped the clock and talked to
the QB.
I know if my son spoke that way on the field it would be
15 yard Unsportsmanlike Conduct for his team.
Thanks for any input.
God Bless,
Coach Gerry Faust

Snake~eyes Tue Mar 30, 2004 01:30pm

Profanity is prohibited by the rules, that should have been a USC. If both the sidelines and crowd can hear it then you definitely need to penalize him.

It's one thing if the QB gets sacked by a crushing hit and mutters somthing under his breath then I will let it go, but in your case the fans and both sidelines could hear.

JMN Tue Mar 30, 2004 02:03pm

As much as I hate profanity anywhere on the field at any time, I don't think I would have flagged the kid. Not when he's down two touchdowns.

But, I would definitely talk to him (and the rest of the offense) about staying poised while frustrated. In a blowout like this, I really think we have an opportunity to establish a perspective with these kids about one of the hardest lessons that they will learn: personal discipline during adversity and leadership. I would tell the team that "each of you needs to decide on whether you can be disciplined and take the high road for the next few minutes." And then I try to find one of the kids to exhibit leadership by exhorting his teammates to stay focused on their assignments.

Oh, and I would ask the Umpire to have a similar discussion with the defense: winning with dignity!

FredFan7 Tue Mar 30, 2004 02:17pm

What JMN said. It's always important to talk to winning and losing teams in the last few minutes about playing with dignity, poise, class, and like men. I think the QB would have been talked to by me.

Coach Faust, speaking of catholic schools, profanity etc. I had a Catholic vs. public school game last fall. We had a no call PI that went against the catholic school. The Catholic crowd (with a large student section) started chanting the very familiar "BS" chant. The public school kids remarked, "I thought this was a catholic school." No flags or anything, but that was not a shining moment for that school.


Ref Ump Welsch Tue Mar 30, 2004 04:09pm

Sometimes me thinks the Lutherans are just as bad! Had a parochial league basketball game where I t'd up the head coach of the Lutheran school when his team was getting their butts kicked royally. The coach for the Catholic school involved was an angel, not a peep even though he was winning like crazy.

Texas Aggie Tue Apr 13, 2004 10:54pm

I'm not that familiar with Catholic doctrine and have had very few Catholic friends, but I do remember several years ago when I first started playing church softball, I always saw the team from a Catholic church "partying" after their game in the parking lot with plenty of beer. To be honest, while I'm sure other teams' players left the park and went home or elsewhere and drank, I can never remember another occassion of a beer party after a church softball league game.

In fact, I can't remember that occuring very often from commercial teams when I played in those leagues, or the leagues were the same night as church. I will say the Catholic boys were much better behaved than most commercial teams I played against.

Jim S Wed Apr 14, 2004 05:14pm

Nothing wrong with the Catholic HS team, but after they lost by one point to the arch rivals, a couple of the mothers were shouting and demostrating "You should all rot in hell!!!"
So much for christian charity.

Forksref Thu Apr 15, 2004 09:54pm

It's definitely USC.

I don't let the score of the game dictate when I throw a flag. That's poor officiating!

Mike Simonds Fri Apr 16, 2004 01:23am

Funniest line I ever heard on the field.
 
Couple of seasons ago the First Assembley of God school was playing the Catholic high school. The Catholic school was ahead by a couple of touchdowns. The head coach of the First Assembley high school yelled out to his offense: "Jesus just told me that we're gonna score a touchdown on this play!". Well next play his team goes and throws an interception and our head linesman said: "Well coach I guess Jesus was wrong." Thank the Good Lord that their coach has a sense of humor.

Ed Hickland Fri Apr 16, 2004 04:22pm

With all the talk these days of profanity and obscenity I reflect on a situation years ago during a softball game.

The pitcher could not get the ball within three feet of the plate. Finally, he yells to me, "Where in the f!!! do you want me to put it." My response was, "Outta here!"

The team manger came up to me and appealed on why I threw him out saying, he didn't curse.

Now my upbringing was in a highly religious Kentucky family where "shoot" was a curse word. But here in New York the f-word is regarded as ultimate word for any situation and it is not cursing according to the locals.

So, in answer to the initial posting. It depends upon where you are if a flag is appropriate.

Snake~eyes Fri Apr 16, 2004 04:51pm

Sorry Ed but I disagree, the F word is profanity no matter where you are. When you watch tv in NY do they censor out the f work? ;) Sounds to me like it might have been an adult league which might be a little different.

ABoselli Fri Apr 16, 2004 07:29pm

What's so bad about fudge?

AndrewMcCarthy Sat Apr 17, 2004 05:55pm

Quote:

Originally posted by ABoselli
What's so bad about fudge?
Carbs.

Ed Hickland Sat Apr 17, 2004 09:02pm

Quote:

Originally posted by Snake~eyes
Sorry Ed but I disagree, the F word is profanity no matter where you are. When you watch tv in NY do they censor out the f work? ;) Sounds to me like it might have been an adult league which might be a little different.
So, it is profanity unless you are an adult??

BTW. Howard Stern is form Long Island.

Snake~eyes Sun Apr 18, 2004 12:43am

It's profanity either way, just depends on how tight you'll be on profanity.


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