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mikesears Tue Jan 13, 2004 02:54pm

I have just learned that next year, I am going to have an opportunity to start working some D3 college ball. I am starting out with lower level games.

Can any of you college officials offer me any advice? I already realize their are a number of differences between rules codes for NF and NCAA. They also work 6-man CCA mechanics.

arreferee Tue Jan 13, 2004 03:28pm

Have fun, relax and you will do great

Sleeper Tue Jan 13, 2004 03:28pm

You can download a the NCAA rulebook as a PDF. We use the rules in HS, so I don't know about any of the Fed translation stuff.

Bob M. Tue Jan 13, 2004 04:58pm

Good for you Mike! First of all, invest in the Football Rules Differences publication. You can get it from NASO. A good piece of advice when you're new: Concentrate first on those rules that are necessary for you to properly officiate your position. For example, if you're going to be a SJ or FJ concentrate on the kicking and passing rules first. No need to worry about intentional grounding in such a case. And finally...forget about K and R. They don't exist in NCAA.

James Neil Wed Jan 14, 2004 11:54am

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Originally posted by mikesears
I have just learned that next year, I am going to have an opportunity to start working some D3 college ball. I am starting out with lower level games.

Can any of you college officials offer me any advice? I already realize their are a number of differences between rules codes for NF and NCAA. They also work 6-man CCA mechanics.

Thats great Mike! Looks like your dedication and hard work are paying off. You probably already found this site but if not check it out. It covers the major differences and is the best on-line site that I’ve found so far .Good luck

http://www.nfhs.org/PDF/Football/NFH...ules_diffs.pdf


ABoselli Wed Jan 14, 2004 03:02pm

If you're on the line, keep telling yourself to stash the whistle. I had to keep telling myself that as I saw the defense come across prior to the snap.

Bob M. Wed Jan 14, 2004 03:38pm

Mike...do you have any idea what position(s) you'll be working?

Theisey Wed Jan 14, 2004 05:30pm

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Originally posted by ABoselli
If you're on the line, keep telling yourself to stash the whistle. I had to keep telling myself that as I saw the defense come across prior to the snap.
### in fact, keep the whistle out of the mouth no matter what position you plan to work at.

ABoselli Wed Jan 14, 2004 07:22pm

Two words - finger whistle.

I know there's an ongoing debate over this on the McGriff board, but the lanyard hits me in the face when I run, I don't want to hold on to it while I run, and I don't want to run with it in my mouth. Hence the finger whistle. It also has saved my butt from many an IW.

Snake~eyes Wed Jan 14, 2004 07:46pm

How bout when you're signaling touchdown, incomplete and can't forget the good ol' one handed stop clock signal. ;)

AndrewMcCarthy Wed Jan 14, 2004 08:34pm

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Originally posted by Snake~eyes
How bout when you're signaling touchdown, incomplete and can't forget the good ol' one handed stop clock signal. ;)
Blow then signal. Be deliberate. It's really not that hard.

Rich Wed Jan 14, 2004 10:50pm

Nope. Lanyard. Will NEVER use a finger whistle. I like how Markbreit talks about his dislike for the finger whistle in his book, too.

Rich

Snake~eyes Wed Jan 14, 2004 11:28pm

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Originally posted by Rich Fronheiser
Nope. Lanyard. Will NEVER use a finger whistle. I like how Markbreit talks about his dislike for the finger whistle in his book, too.

Rich

Only spot I'd be using a finger whistle is at U and I will never work U because I don't like it.

ABoselli Thu Jan 15, 2004 09:26am

It's not rocket science - blow the whistle, then signal.

There are plenty of NFL officials who use them. Its a matter of preference. I prefer the FW for the reasons stated above. If you can't remember to wait until the whistle is done blowing to signal, then you're just an idiot.

I've tried both. I could make do with a lanyard if forced, but I'd prefer not to. I don't see where the whole anti-FW sentiment originates from.

Bob M. Thu Jan 15, 2004 01:13pm

REPLY: I've used a finger whistle for years on the lines and deep in both HS and in some limited college ball. I've <u>never</u> had a one-handed signal in 25 years! As mentioned, it's a simple thing to give a good blast and <u>then</u> give your signal with both hands.... And I wouldn't listen to Mr. Markbreit's opinions on the issue since he would constantly walk around with the whistle in his mouth, even after the ball was dead and when he was talking to another official. I remember watching a crewmate reporting a foul to him and he's got the whistle between his teeth. I'd be screaming at the TV, "Spit it out!." A great official, but not one I'd necessarily emulate for whistle mechanics.

mikesears Fri Jan 16, 2004 01:42am

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Originally posted by Bob M.
Mike...do you have any idea what position(s) you'll be working?
Don't know yet. I would like to try one of the deep wing spots.

ABoselli Fri Jan 16, 2004 10:46am

Gonna live and die with one call.

VA-Ump/BJ Fri Jan 16, 2004 11:26am

Just a Couple
 
Order "Referee's Study Guide" by Rogers Redding. Its a great resource in learning the NCAA rules. Honigs has it.

I can't stress staying in the rulebook the entire year. Don't just try to bone up in the summer. This will be my 3rd year in NCAA (13 overall) and I'm just now getting comfortable with the college rules. If you know the rules, you will be a TREASURE to your crew.

Bob M. Fri Jan 16, 2004 03:33pm

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Originally posted by mikesears
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Originally posted by Bob M.
Mike...do you have any idea what position(s) you'll be working?
Don't know yet. I would like to try one of the deep wing spots.

REPLY: I can probably help you with some deep wing stuff. You've got my e-mail...

mikesears Sun Jan 18, 2004 09:57am

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Originally posted by Bob M.
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Originally posted by mikesears
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Originally posted by Bob M.
Mike...do you have any idea what position(s) you'll be working?
Don't know yet. I would like to try one of the deep wing spots.

REPLY: I can probably help you with some deep wing stuff. You've got my e-mail...

Can you send your email to me again? I got a new computer and didn't transfer over existing data.

Thanks for the offer of help. I am sure I can use it.

You can send it to [email protected]


Mike Simonds Sun Jan 18, 2004 10:45pm

Congrats Mike!
 
Mike, I know that your years of dedication and hard work are really paying off. Its great that you will step up to Division 3. I had a chance to meet the coach from St. John's in MN yesterday. The guy who holds the NCAA record for coaching wins with over 400 (His team recently beat Mount Union for the D-3 title). (I was the penalty recorder at the Hula Bowl). He is such a soft-spoken and mild mannered gentleman that exudes nothing but low-key class and dignity.

Mike, I would love to have the opportunity you are having to officiate at the D-3 level where college football is still pure but you have the chance to see some great athletes.

Oh, and by the way: finger or lanyard its all good as long as it works for the individual.

P.S. I would do what the others suggested: get a copy of the CCA 6 and 7 man mechanics manuals at honigs.com and download the NCAA rules at their website.

[Edited by Mike Simonds on Jan 18th, 2004 at 09:52 PM]


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