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ASA/NYSSOBLUE Sun Dec 28, 2003 07:40pm

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lawref Sun Dec 28, 2003 08:19pm

He got knocked out when one of the Giants players hit him in the back while going after a blocked punt. Bernie left the game.

Rich Sun Dec 28, 2003 08:20pm

(12-28) 15:39 PST EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. (AP) --

Referee Bernie Kukar was forced to leave the Panthers-Giants game after being drilled in the back by Giants safety Clarence LeBlanc trying to recover a blocked punt.

Kukar hurt his ankle and shoulder after being hit square in his back by LeBlanc with 10:51 left in the third quarter. Kukar was watching the ball rolling out of bounds at the Panthers 1-yard line after New York blocked its second punt of the game when LeBlanc caught him totally off-guard.

Kukar stayed on the ground flat on his back for about five minutes. He got up and hopped to a golf cart and was taken off the field.

Field Judge Gene Steratore took over as the referee.

Snake~eyes Mon Dec 29, 2003 12:09am

That's too bad, I really like Bernie too, his name is fun to say. Kukar! Get better soon!

Snake~eyes Mon Dec 29, 2003 01:48am

Holy smokes I just saw this hit on highlights. That looked brutal, I wouldn't have gotten up. I would have sat there and moaned. lol. wow, right in the lower back too. :(

mikesears Mon Dec 29, 2003 07:19am

DId they finish the game with 6?

BktBallRef Mon Dec 29, 2003 11:10am

Yeah Mike, they did. The FJ moved to R.

Snake~eyes Mon Dec 29, 2003 01:00pm

I thought they had an alternate? weird.

ump76 Mon Dec 29, 2003 02:25pm

By no means was this Bernie's fault......however don't a lot of people use the mechanic to turn in toward the field at an out of bounds situation? I personally use the mechanic that Bernie used but I have been warned about it.
I use it to make sure nothing crazy happens out of bounds. What do others think?


Get well soon Bernie!!!!!!

Snake~eyes Mon Dec 29, 2003 02:29pm

That's how I was taught and exactly what I do. That's a good point though. He was just unlucky I guess.

hab_in_exile Tue Dec 30, 2003 12:35am

Quote:

Originally posted by ump76
By no means was this Bernie's fault......however don't a lot of people use the mechanic to turn in toward the field at an out of bounds situation? I personally use the mechanic that Bernie used but I have been warned about it.
I use it to make sure nothing crazy happens out of bounds. What do others think?

I thought it was entirely Kukar's fault. If you have a situation where you are between players and a loose ball it is your fault. I think I would have turned 90 degrees and gone backwards towards the goaline, to keep the play in my view. I know he was worried about stuff out of bounds, but what was he seeing by turning away from the players like that? I thought it was an awful move on his part.

However, no one deserves the hit he took! I hope he is back for next week, he is a good Ref.

Snake~eyes Tue Dec 30, 2003 12:41am

I was watching NFL Total Access, they said that he is doing fine, he actually wanted to come back and finish the game up, but the Mike Pierra didn't want him to because he said they really needed him for playoffs. :D

Bob M. Tue Dec 30, 2003 11:08am

REPLY: To comment on a prior post, the NFL does <u>not</u> assign an alternate to regular season games. They do, however, assign alternates for playoff games.

Snake~eyes Tue Dec 30, 2003 01:20pm

Quote:

Originally posted by Bob M.
REPLY: To comment on a prior post, the NFL does <u>not</u> assign an alternate to regular season games. They do, however, assign alternates for playoff games.
Ahhh, okay thanks Bob, that makes sense.

ump76 Tue Dec 30, 2003 01:47pm

Quote:

Originally posted by Bob M.
REPLY: To comment on a prior post, the NFL does <u>not</u> assign an alternate to regular season games. They do, however, assign alternates for playoff games.

So does the alternate during the playoffs stand on the sideline......dress and stay in the lockerroom or what? I don't know about everyone else but it takes me a little time to get the gear on but I would also feel funny dressed pretty mucj knowing I was not going to work. Please advise.

ABoselli Tue Dec 30, 2003 01:59pm

He is dressed and at the ready on the sidelines. I'm not sure if he goes up and down the field with them or stands in one location.

As a guy who's been an alternate for a game, it is pretty wierd. I found myself doing little things to be 'in the game' in case anybody went down. I would say the down and distance to myself before each play, as well as the time on the clock. I would look at tendencies by each team based on down and distance and would watch what the officials were doing as far as initial position and how they covered the play as it unfolded to see if there was something they did that I could pick up.

The only spot I knew I wouldn't be going in as was the R, so I kept my eyes on everyone except him.

Bob M. Tue Dec 30, 2003 02:06pm

Quote:

Originally posted by ump76
So does the alternate during the playoffs stand on the sideline......dress and stay in the lockerroom or what? I don't know about everyone else but it takes me a little time to get the gear on but I would also feel funny dressed pretty mucj knowing I was not going to work. Please advise.
REPLY: As far as I know, he's dressed in uniform, wearing a jacket, and standing along the sidelines.

James Neil Tue Dec 30, 2003 02:56pm

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I would also feel funny dressed pretty much knowing I was not going to work. Please advise. [/B][/QUOTE]

Heck, I’m dressed in my uniform as we speak. I mean come on. You have to be ready in case you get the call. The only hassle is changeing out of my Batman costume :D


cmathews Tue Dec 30, 2003 04:32pm

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Originally posted by James Neil
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I would also feel funny dressed pretty much knowing I was not going to work. Please advise. [/B][/QUOTE]

Heck, I’m dressed in my uniform as we speak. I mean come on. You have to be ready in case you get the call. The only hassle is changeing out of my Batman costume :D

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LOL that is funny, but honestly we have a guy in our BBall association, that goes to games (that he isn't working) dressed in his uniform. He is a little beyond his glory days, still wears the byron collar,(for non BBall guys that is a no no) but he goes a lot of places looking like he works at foot locker LOL

JugglingReferee Tue Dec 30, 2003 04:50pm

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Originally posted by James Neil
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I would also feel funny dressed pretty much knowing I was not going to work. Please advise. [/B][/QUOTE]

Heck, I’m dressed in my uniform as we speak. I mean come on. You have to be ready in case you get the call. The only hassle is changeing out of my Batman costume :D

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In my college years, I had my gear packed and ready to go in my car. Both of my assignors (I was a dual member with another association) knew my cell phone number and e-mail address. I literally would sit in a 9am computer progrmaming class and receive an e-mail if I could do a 3pm double header. It was great! I was rewarded for my dedication.

crelman Wed Dec 31, 2003 12:25pm

Bernie/Camp Easton
 
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Originally posted by Snake~eyes
That's too bad, I really like Bernie too, his name is fun to say. Kukar! Get better soon!
Best wishes to my old friend Bernie for a speedy recovery. He used to own a summer camp in far northern Minnesota, where I attended for five magical summers. He came to our house in Kansas City to show camp movies in our basement, drumming up business. Back then he was officiating high school games. After losing track of him, I saw him on Monday Night Football about ten years ago and contacted him. He has since sold the camp but, as we know, continues as a top NFL official.

Get well soon, Bernie!

ump76 Wed Dec 31, 2003 01:13pm

was it last year or the year before he worked the Super Bowl? Anyways I hear he rated 100 for the entire season. That is impressive.

Bob M. Wed Dec 31, 2003 02:08pm

Quote:

Originally posted by ump76
was it last year or the year before he worked the Super Bowl? Anyways I hear he rated 100 for the entire season. That is impressive.
REPLY: Kukar worked the 2002 Super Bowl. I <u>think</u> that last year's referee was Bill Carollo.

BktBallRef Wed Dec 31, 2003 02:35pm

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Originally posted by Bob M.
Quote:

Originally posted by ump76
was it last year or the year before he worked the Super Bowl? Anyways I hear he rated 100 for the entire season. That is impressive.
REPLY: Kukar worked the 2002 Super Bowl. I <u>think</u> that last year's referee was Bill Carollo.

And Gerry Austin in 2001.

lawref Wed Dec 31, 2003 04:24pm

The alternate is dressed on the sideline, near the chain crew, wearing a jacket. While you might feel a little funny standing there, dressed, and knowing you probably won't get to work, it beats watching the game from your own couch!

Snake~eyes Wed Dec 31, 2003 06:00pm

Quote:

Originally posted by lawref
The alternate is dressed on the sideline, near the chain crew, wearing a jacket. While you might feel a little funny standing there, dressed, and knowing you probably won't get to work, it beats watching the game from your own couch!
I agree. I'd take standing on the sidelines, dressed in uniform, and getting payed like $6,500 to watch the superbowl any day.

Ed Hickland Thu Jan 01, 2004 07:09pm

A bit of trivia.

Former NFL Director or Officials, Jerry Seeman, was the alternate in a Superbowl and did come in and work when one of the on-field officials was injured. It was Jerry's last game on the field.

Bob M. Fri Jan 02, 2004 09:48am

Quote:

Originally posted by Ed Hickland
A bit of trivia.

Former NFL Director or Officials, Jerry Seeman, was the alternate in a Superbowl and did come in and work when one of the on-field officials was injured. It was Jerry's last game on the field.

REPLY: Ed, I'm sure you're correct about Jerry having to step in as an alternate on one of the Super Bowls, but I'm pretty sure that his last game on the field was as the <u>assigned</u> referee in the NYG--Buffalo Bills Super Bowl...1991, I believe.

ump76 Fri Jan 02, 2004 02:19pm

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Originally posted by Snake~eyes
Quote:

Originally posted by lawref
The alternate is dressed on the sideline, near the chain crew, wearing a jacket. While you might feel a little funny standing there, dressed, and knowing you probably won't get to work, it beats watching the game from your own couch!
I agree. I'd take standing on the sidelines, dressed in uniform, and getting payed like $6,500 to watch the superbowl any day.

I want a job going to the Superbowl free of charge and having the NFL pick up all my tabs and pay me to watch from the best seat in the house on the sidelines. Where do I sign up?

Snake~eyes Sat Jan 03, 2004 01:09am

You can sign up once you have 10 years HS, 5 years college and I think three years NFL. GOod luck! :)

Rich Sat Jan 03, 2004 01:34am

Quote:

Originally posted by Ed Hickland
A bit of trivia.

Former NFL Director or Officials, Jerry Seeman, was the alternate in a Superbowl and did come in and work when one of the on-field officials was injured. It was Jerry's last game on the field.

I believe they have two alternates -- one "referee" who can work any position except umpire, and one umpire. They may have changed this OR I may be delusional and they've NEVER done this.

FredFan7 Tue Jan 06, 2004 01:23pm

In regard to Seeman, I THINK you're thinking of the AFC Championship Game (1987?) Denver-Cleveland. Tunney was the Ref, and I think back judge Dick Dolack pulled a hamstring and Seeman was the field judge for the rest of the game. He called Ernest Byner's fumble.

JugglingReferee Tue Jan 06, 2004 01:29pm

Everyone knows...
 
Everyone already knows...

Bernie worked this past weekend and therefore is all better to ref.


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