At a high school game, the opponent was trailing and on their 4th down, with less than three minutes left in the game. They went for the down as opposed to punting. The officials had the chain gang come out, and the official appeared to rock the ball forward. The ball was still a good 6 inches inside the marker, however it was ruled a first down, changing the outcome of the game. Many of us have this on tape and were quite upset.

Did we miss something? We heard that our team's last game will have these same officals and we are not looking forward to that. However, if there is something that we don't know, we will accept this call.

Was the ball still INSIDE the line to gain? Without seeing EXACTLY what the crew did, it is hard to comment.

Words such as "appeared to rock the ball forward" indicate that a good view of the action was not obtained.

If the crew messed up, there isn't anything that can be done (unless you live in Georgia).

Maybe I should not have said "appeared". The official was clearly rocking the ball forward. The ball was inside the chains, no part of it outside the marker. The view was perfectly clear from us as it was done along the field close to the side line and there were no players in front of us.

Thank you for your speedy response!

REPLY: As the others have said, it's very difficult to comment without having seen the measurement. However, there is one thing that might explain the crew's actions. In order to reach the line to gain (and be awarded a first down), the ball does not have to extend beyond the front stake. It only has to reach the inside edge of the front stake. This might account for the apparent miss, but 6 inches !?!? As for a "rocking" the ball, the only thing I can think of is if the ball ends up with its long axis <u>not</u> parallel to the sidelines, it must be rotated to a position where it is before the measurement is done. Don't know...Just shots in the dark...

Thank you for your reply, Bob. Yes, a good 6 inches....Needless to say, our boys (and fans) were dumbfounded. There is nothing that we can do about it after the fact, I guess my main concern is that these same officals are working our last game, which is a big one (decides what place we end up in league).

Again, thank you.

REPLY: If I were an official, and had some perverse desire to "cheat" for a team, a measurement would be the absolute last place I would do it. Everyone and his brother is focusing in on the measurement. Everyone can see whether or not the line to gain has been reached. I've got to think that there's something else that entered into the equation. Did your coach object when they ruled a first down? I mean more than the normal "bad spot" routine.

If you have it on tape, perhaps you can find a way to make this viewable to us. I'm having trouble with the "rocking the ball forward", and also trying to understand how one group (you, your players, and fans) could see one thing (ball 6 inches from the stake), and another group (refs) could see another (1st down), unless there's something being left out of the description.

Regarding the ball rocking - this will only move the nose a tiny bit (nowhere near 6 inches), so I'm not sure how that part is relevant at all.

did our coach object? You bet, as did all of us. Regarding the game tape, mine is on VHS format, so unless I can get it transfered to a CD...

the funny thing is is that I work at another high school who happened to be playing my son's team the following week, so they ended up reviewing the game tape. The students couldn't believe the officating when they reviewed the tape, so I know it wasn't just a sour parent seeing things!

I don't know where it started, but I was told that years ago my son's school had a reputation for being rough. But I am talking a very long time ago. It seems that the officials we get seem to still treat the players as if they were a part of that era. Our last game we had an official that was an alumni of the team we were playing! Need I mention that that team did not have a flag pulled against them for two full quarters?

Was there a captain from your team there watching the measurement? If I'm the referee, I'll usually have the team captains close enough to view the measurement without obstructing the view of most. If he was right there, how did it stand up? Did he say anything?

If I remember correctly, the opposing team was even a little shocked by the call. I will see if there is a way to get this transfered on to my ccomputer so I can post it.

Does the head coach or AD have any final say on the officials that work your games? Do you think the crew was cheating the whole game or just this measurement?

I may be biased, but it seems that the whole game was slanted towards the other team. I can certainly handle our kids getting calls for holding and whatnot, when they deserve it, but I really do expect it to be fair and have the calls go both ways. Out of the nine games played so far this year, only one of them was a game where the officiating seemed even. I know that the officials can't see everything, but when it is right in front of them....well, we come to our own conclusions. We have several injured players right now suffering from neck injuries from blatant face mask pulling (none of which was called till the 4th quarter) on our last game. It is just really frustrating.

My son told me that one coach was going to send a copy of the game film to who ever it is that decides who officates our games. Hopefully that will help. I don't like to complain because I certainly could not do the job.

Coaches, players, parents, fans, all see the play with their hearts. The officials see the play with their eyes.

Bob

Your only means of recourse is to send this tape highlighting the questionable spots to the league commissioner. The outcome of the game will not be changed but perhaps the officials involved could be repremanded IF there in fact was an error.

This is a hobby for us all and thus errors are made when some of us don't put in the time to do the job right. No one can make a living off of about $60 for a Friday night game when you were gone for at least 4 hours to work the game. For some of us we spend more than 8 hours on one game just to cash a $50 paycheck.

I agree, it is a thankless job, and one I would not want to do. You can't please all the people all the time, and very few people some of the time. And yes, when our kid is out there every game could possibly be his last, so we (parents) are especially upset when calls are missed that have the potential to cause serious physical harm (face mask, late hits, etc). We are very appreciative of the time that is put into officiating high school games.
I know at this stage that that call is a moot point, and it was a non-league game, but we do not want officials who may, for what ever reason, have some kind of bias against our team.
I do know that the coach is sending tape to someone regarding our last game and the fact that one of the offials was an alumni of the opposing school.
I really appreciate all of you responding to this football mom. How awesome of you! What a great site this is.
Thank you!

I hope my previous post didn't come across as negative. Officials can and do make mistakes. A mistake during a measurement would be uncommon.

An official who wants to show favoratism is rare as well.
I am hoping that something happened to which you weren't privy. Maybe when the chain was brought out, the lineman put the clip on the wrong end of the line or something, but from the description, it sounds like the measurement was made well after the ball was placed.

If this was indeed an official showing bias, I would hope the AD and/or coach would submit the game tape to whomever is in charge of the officials and they get the official(s) off the playing field.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by nshannon
[B] "And yes, when our kid is out there every game could possibly be his last, so we (parents) are especially upset when calls are missed that have the potential to cause serious physical harm (face mask, late hits, etc)."


As others have stated, officials make mistakes and when we do we feel worse about it than anybody. We strive to be perfect and are expected to be, but we are human and we understand it's not possible. The reason I am quoting your statement above on the late hits etc. is things like that happen and we hope to catch them but the fact is the injury caused by the late hits are still going to happen whether we throw a flag or not. A lot of people feel as if the flag is a protective barrier. The only thing that we hope happens is that it will deter that from happening again. We appreciate your posts and come back anytime you have something to ask. Just keep it clean and professional and you will find we are the same.

MikeSears, your comments were not negative and not taken that way. I have found all of you very informative and helpful. Sometimes it helps to just vent.

We do hope that if a team gets enough calls on late hits and the like, that they will be less likely to do it. I do know that sometimes the momemtum propels an athlete forward at a rate that he can't stop on time, and we all understand that.

You all have been great! Care to come out to our school and officate a game??? :)

Oh no!!! Not a football mom!!! They are the worst!!! :D

Just kidding (about most of them)

Football moms are some of the most enthusiastic (loud) fans at the games. They can get a little upset when their child is hurt out there. I may as well when that day comes for my kids. I think that more of the parents of players are like you than like the moms who are a little TOO into the game.

I am glad that you came to this site where you can get answers even though we didn't have many for you. Courtesy and respect is the best we can hope for and you showed it to us. Officiating is a very thankless job but then sometimes parenting is also. Hope you find a resolution that satisfies you and your team. Good luck.

Warrenkicker, I know that kind of parent, and I do my best to sit far away from them! My kids have been playing sports since they were 4, they've had their injuries (serious and not so serious). After this year, I will still have eight years of high school sports to sit and learn from. I have learned a lot from 11 years of watching so far and this site has added to it. Thank you.

If this thread gets any mushier I’m going to bust out in tears :D Just kidding ... good to see everyone getting along. And I’ll bet you that with just a little prodding we could entice nshannon into putting on some strips. What do you say Mom? If she ever did, I’d love to hear her response to the loud mouth, third string when he played, father screamming at you ... “JUST LET THE KIDS PLAY YOU OVER OFFICIAS JURKS”. LOL

"Strips"????
 

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or do you mean "stripes"? Ah, getting pervo on us....huh:D

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Whoops...LOL ...yah them too...(Now I’m wondering just how Freudian my typo is)

Yeah, yeah, I saw the "typo" too, thought it was some new league!

By the By, my kid's team won Friday night and made it to the invitational playoffs (first time in 8 years). The officiating was pretty decent, missed calls/made calls, balanced for both teams. My faith is restored. :)