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airraider Mon Sep 16, 2019 09:00am

Targeting ejection
 
Player #1 is at Middle Linebacker

His is called for targeting on this tackle. Do you think they should have ejected him?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hb_cXNGtuz0

JRutledge Mon Sep 16, 2019 09:06am

No.

Peace

HLin NC Mon Sep 16, 2019 11:47am

Doesn't look flagrant, which is the prerequisite for an ejection. Targeting in NFHS is really more of a description of a type of personal foul.

Texas Aggie Mon Sep 16, 2019 03:20pm

Under NCAA rules this would APPEAR to possibly be targeting (QB becomes defenseless when in grasp of other 2 players) and contact may be to head or neck area and is forcible. Again, not 3D and not the greatest angle, so can't make a definitive ruling here. NCAA now allows a non-flagrant targeting foul to be a 15 yard penalty with no ejection as long as its the first targeting foul on the offender. I would definitely go that route but not rule out the ejection in my game.

NFHS may vary, of course. I don't think you can clearly judge flagrant or not through the video unfortunately.

CT1 Mon Sep 16, 2019 05:07pm

In a FED game, I’d strongly consider a DBPF. I don’t see any reason to eject.

SC Official Mon Sep 16, 2019 07:14pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Texas Aggie (Post 1034484)
Under NCAA rules this would APPEAR to possibly be targeting (QB becomes defenseless when in grasp of other 2 players) and contact may be to head or neck area and is forcible. Again, not 3D and not the greatest angle, so can't make a definitive ruling here. NCAA now allows a non-flagrant targeting foul to be a 15 yard penalty with no ejection as long as its the first targeting foul on the offender. I would definitely go that route but not rule out the ejection in my game.

NFHS may vary, of course. I don't think you can clearly judge flagrant or not through the video unfortunately.

NCAA does not allow this.

Texas allows this.

JRutledge Mon Sep 16, 2019 08:44pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Texas Aggie (Post 1034484)

NFHS may vary, of course. I don't think you can clearly judge flagrant or not through the video unfortunately.

You cannot be ejected for any targeting unless there is deemed flagrant. So a player could have multiple targeting fouls and not be ejected from the game at all.

That is not the case in NCAA games or rules.

Peace

Texas Aggie Tue Sep 17, 2019 01:29pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by SC Official (Post 1034490)
NCAA does not allow this.

Texas allows this.

You're right. I got ahead of myself and mixed the new NCAA replay rules with Texas HS UIL changes. Haven't had any targeting calls on the field this year.

chapmaja Thu Sep 26, 2019 10:51am

Quote:

Originally Posted by airraider (Post 1034469)
Player #1 is at Middle Linebacker

His is called for targeting on this tackle. Do you think they should have ejected him?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hb_cXNGtuz0

I think this would be considered a targeting in college. The player is defenseless at this point because he is in the grasp of two defenders and his forward progress has been stopped, and the defensive player does appear to lower his helmet in the process of the hit and make contact with the crown of the helmet.

I can't say if in HS it would or would not be an ejection, because I am not familiar with the wording of the HS rule.

What I will say is that based on where the flag comes in from, I would have an argument from the DC that the official did not have a view to actually see the contact to the head or neck or if the contact was with the crown of the helmet.

I do think it is absolutely a personal foul because his momentum was stopped and it was well after that happened.


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