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northbendon Sat Sep 30, 2017 08:20pm

Illegal spiking
 
Shot gun formation QB spikes to kill clock illegal we got that but do you start on the snap or RFP?


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SC Official Sat Sep 30, 2017 10:35pm

I assume you are talking NFHS, because this is not illegal in NCAA.

Read Rule 3-4-3.

JRutledge Sun Oct 01, 2017 10:07am

I am out of town and do not have my rulebook to review the exact rule, but that sounds like an illegal forward pass. If that is the case, I believe with the newer rule we can decide to run the clock on the RFP with the new rule and penalty enforcement under 2:00.

Peace

Robert Goodman Sun Oct 01, 2017 11:54am

Oh. When I read the subject line, I thought it was going to be about stepping on someone w your cleats, or maybe wearing illegal cleats.

northbendon Sun Oct 01, 2017 02:16pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by SC Official (Post 1009525)
I assume you are talking NFHS, because this is not illegal in NCAA.



Read Rule 3-4-3.



What about 3-4-6


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VA Official Sun Oct 01, 2017 03:09pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by northbendon (Post 1009524)
Shot gun formation QB spikes to kill clock illegal we got that but do you start on the snap or RFP?


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In NFHS it’s an IFP / intentional grounding. I’m invoking illegally conserving time and starting on the ready. This is a widely accepted practice for an IG penalty late in the half/game because the passer is trying to stop the clock illegally. We can not invoke the new 2 minute rule that allows the offended team the option because that rule only works in one direction: the offended team can choose to start the clock on the snap when the result of the play would otherwise start it on the ready. It does not allow them to choose to start the clock on the ready when the result of the play is on the snap. Result of the play is an incomplete pass, i.e. starts on the snap unless we invoke illegally conserving time.

SC Official Sun Oct 01, 2017 04:46pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by northbendon (Post 1009532)
What about 3-4-6

Yes, you can invoke that rule as VA Official noted. My point was that this foul is intentional grounding (a type of IFP). Under 3-4-3, the clock starts on the snap after any il/legal forward pass. That is under the assumption that the R doesn't invoke consume/conserve.

northbendon Sun Oct 01, 2017 07:02pm

Thanks for the good feed back that's what we did (RFP) just wasn't 100%


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CT1 Mon Oct 02, 2017 06:33am

Don't let a team benefit from cheating. Start on the RFP.


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