Rule 3-1(in the table of game clock times) indicates that the head coach is responsible for his team being on the field for the mandatory warm-up time at the end of the scheduled halftime intermission. The rule book does not address the penalty if a team is not on the field for the warm-up. Rule 9-8-1g indicates that an unsportsmanlike penalty will be assessed for the failure of a team to be ready to start either half.

I would like to have input as the proper penalty administration in the above situation. Do you flag a team 15 yards if they have not returned to the field for the warm-up and then wait for them to return to the field prior to starting the 3 minute time period or would you have the clock keeper put the 3:00 minutes up and start the clock and penalize the team if they fail to return to the field by the time the 3:00 minutes have expired?

Please indicate where this information can be found in the rule book. Thanks to all responses and for your help.

'nuff said. It is the coach's responsibility.

As for the timing, in Florida we have a twenty minute halftime mandated by the state association. The field clock is set to 17:00 and starts when both teams have left the field. When the 17 is done, the clock is reset to 3:00 for the warmup. If the team is not ready at the end of that 3 minute period, we have rule coverage.

We talked about this at our last association meeting. We were told that the 3:00 warm-up period cannot start until both teams are back on the field. If a team is not back on the field (or at least where an official can see that they are on the way back to the field) by the end of the scheduled intermission, then it is a penalty for USC.

You need to handle the penalty aspect of this situation by the regulations of your state association. Remember this, it doesn't matter how late the teams are reporting to the field, they still must have their 3:00 warmup period. It doesn't matter if the just look at you for 3:00 minutes, they must have the opportunity.

If it's a 20 minute half, we put 23:00 on the clock. As long as they're ready to play when the clock reaches 0:00, I could care less where they've been or how they spent their 3 minutes.

Here in Kansas we usually have 15 minute half-times. We put 15 minutes on the clock and when that runs out we put 3 minutes on it and then run that. When that runs out we start the second half. So I guess you might say we have 18 minute half-times. We have never had a team not be there for the 3 minute warm-up.

Teams must return to the field by the end of the halftime period. Then the three minute warm-up begins.

Failure to return by the end of the halftime is an unsportsmanlike. The team regardless of when they return MUST warmup for three minutes. They cannot warmup in the locker room.

BTW. If the teams return and the halftime activities are not concluded, a penalty is assessed to the home team. And, when the activites conclude, they MUST warm up for three minutes.

I am sure we have all bent that rule a few times.

You do what your state association tells you to do. That is the only thing that you MUST do.

Let me direct you to the 2002 Case Book regarding halftime:

HALFTIME TIMING (3-1 Table): An intermission between halves was initially created to provide a break from competition for the players. That time for rest and recovery for those participants also presented an opportunity for schools to showcase other extracurricular activities, such as marching bands, dance and/or spirit groups. However, game management has long been restricted in extending its halftime beyond 15 minutes, unless it has a scheduled homecoming, parents/seniors recognition, or other "special halftime activities." Deleting the requirement of "special halftime activities" before it is permissible to increase an intermission to 20 minutes, provides game management with more flexibility in determining its length of halftime; however, 15 minutes is still the norm. It should be noted that state high school associations retain the authority to restrict the amount of time placed on game clocks to anywhere between 10 minutes and 20 minutes. However, neither state associations nor game officials can delete the requirement of the three-minute warm-up period following the halftime period.

The three-minute warm-up period MUST be observed and according to the rules cannot be overridden.

Thanks for citing the Case Book situation, Ed. But you can cite all the rulings you want to. You do what your state association tells you to do. That is the only thing that you MUST do. If you don't beleive me, take a look at some of the PSK threads and digest what some states are doing with that. I don't believe that state associations can rule contrary to the case book or rule book with regard to PSK, but they are.

BTW, did you have an opportunity to go back and read our discussion on "11th off then back on." I believe you'll find that SITUATION 4 proves that your ruling was incorrect in that scenario. ;)

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Originally posted by Ed Hickland However, neither state associations nor game officials can delete the requirement of the three-minute warm-up period following the halftime period.[/I] The three-minute warm-up period MUST be observed and according to the rules cannot be overridden.

The three minute warm-up period is a MUST. The teams are only required to be on the field.

3-1-5 Mandatory Warm-up Activity Following Intermission: 3 minutes

(The head coach is responsible for his team being on the
field for mandatory warm-up time at the end of the scheduled
halftime intermission.)

It doesn't say that the team is required to warm-up during this time, just that they are on the field.

I can believe what is happening with the PSK especially the double foul which was not truly thought out. In New York we were directed to enforce double foul then two weeks later it changed to enforce as NCAA PSK double foul.

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BTW, did you have an opportunity to go back and read our discussion on "11th off then back on." I believe you'll find that SITUATION 4 proves that your ruling was incorrect in that scenario. ;)

Sure does. I did present a past play to our interpreter where the 11th man was used to deceive and that was also covered. Now we have to figure was it a mistake or an intentional mistake.

One new question? How can you ever create a player vacancy?

No idea! :D

BBR I am confused...
 

So I can understand what you are saying clearly I ask these three questions.
1) Are you doing this on your own, or is your state association directing you to <B> IGNORE THE MANDATORY WARMUP REQUIRMENT</B> listed in Table 3-1 on Page 31?
2) Has your state put this "Ignore the Mandate" policy in writing?
3) Are your state association attorneys aware of this complete disregard of a player safety rules mandate?

Not being an attorney I can merely surmise that a legal firm representing an injured player would have a "field day" with this policy and be able to take you and/or your state association to the cleaners!

If this truley is your state association policy then;
1) I wouldn't be advertising it!
2) I would quickly be looking in to changing it.

You have everything to lose and nothing to gain by the stand you are suggesting!

To compare your stand in this matter to what some states have (correctly) done with PSK (such as Oregon) is foolhardy and a bit askew! <b>There is no "grey area" in Table 3-1. It is perfectly clear with no known conflicts in interpretation in any NFHS publication anywhere!</b>
And yes I did say "correctly" as the NFHS has now seen the light and correctly revised the interpretation of Situation 13.

So I am clear, I am not attempting to find fault here but rather I am attempting to offer good sound advice!
My 2 cents...

Better late than never.
 

I have been telling you this for years. But everytime I say it, you claim I do not know what I am talking about. Because no matter what the NF says, we are not licensed by the NF for anything. The NF is a guide to what we are to do, but not the God of all of our actions.

Nice to see you come around. http://www.stopstart.freeserve.co.uk/smilie/ssst.gif

Peace

Re: Better late than never.
 

Rut, you are just stiring up trouble now! :)

Re: Re: Better late than never.
 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by mikesears

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Rut, you are just stiring up trouble now! :)

Mike,

Not at all. Just stating the truth. If it hurts, then so be it.

Peace

Re: Re: Re: Better late than never.
 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by JRutledge

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Originally posted by mikesears Quote: Rut, you are just stiring up trouble now! :) Mike, Not at all. Just stating the truth. If it hurts, then so be it. Peace

Hope you saw my " :) " in my post.

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by mikesears

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Hope you saw my " :) " in my post.

I did. Still stating the truth. ;)

Peace

In most the games I've done, we generally have 15 minute halfs. If both teams are back on the field prior to the 15 minutes, then we signal to the clock operator to begin the 3 minute warm-up period. But we never cut the 3 minute period. Thursday night I did a varsity game and both teams were lined up for the second-half kickoff and we waited till the 3 minute warm up ticked down to 0. Wasn't it last year that some officiating crew got sued by the parent's of a kid who didn't get the full 3 minute warm-up and pulled a muscle (or something like that?) We talked about it in our association last year and all determined that regardless, they would all get the mandatory 3 minute period.

Re: Better late than never.
 

That doesn't have anything to do with a rules discussion where NFHS rules are being used. The rule is the rule. the 3 minute rule exists in all NFHS states, whether they follow it or not.

You've mistakenly argued a point before, then when it was pointed out that you were wrong, you say, "Oh, well...that's the rules in Illnois." Bull$hit!

I know what this rule is, never said it wasn't the rule. We've just been told that we're not to concern ourselves with it since it isn't an issue within the game.

Yeah, that's all we need is some stupid lawsuit because you only let the players warmup for 2 and one-half minutes when the book says three.

The rules are always the rules, but there is the NF Rules and there is reality.

No Tony, I am actually agreeing with you. But I seem to understand that states (worked in more than one in my career) have different expectations and practices that might be not exactly what is in the NF Rulebook. Part of the reason is the NF does not spell out everything and how everything should be handled. And I do not know if this is the way everyone does it, but were were told to not run the 3:00 minutes until the players are all on the field. Maybe because liability is local. But that is how we were instructed to do it. Mainly because there were many crews doing different things. The state wanted more uniformity, no different than how we were told to run and control the sidelines this year. And yes, that is an Illinois rule. And these procedures come from someone that is on the NF Football Committee. ;)


Never said you did not know what the rule is, just find it interesting that you seem to understand that a state can come up with their own procedure. Especially considering your previous statements. Nevermind that, whatever a state comes up with, can and will affect the game. Because it might determine when and how you throw a flag if a team is late. And that team being late might be different depending on the procedure that state has in place. And if you think I am making it up, ask any official that does a playoff in my state and see what they get in the mail about how to run their game?

Peace

Many times a team comes out early and the other comes out right at the tail end of the halftime.
The 3 minutes starts when the last team has come out. The first team may have been already a minute or more into the warmup. Both teams get 3 minutes, its just that one really gets more time. I don't see any problem with that.

in INDIANA
 

Just got word from our supervisor (head) of our association. He stated the directive we recieved 3 yrs ago is that teams be afforded the 3 minutes. If they choose to saty in the locker room, so be it, but the 3 min has been offered to them.

They might be warming up in there. Get your 1/2 time to 0:00. Immed. put 3 min on , run it to zero. Kick off. End of story. he is a lawyer, claims that we provided the time for it. No chancew of us begin caught up in the legal mess. It is the coaches responsibility to be on the field, not ours. We just need to provide the time.