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HLin NC Wed Feb 22, 2017 11:57am

Fed press release link
 
https://www.nfhs.org/articles/new-bl...hool-football/

Robert Goodman Sun Feb 26, 2017 01:06pm

I've been writing my takes at coaching discussion sites on the announced Fed football changes, but at least one of them I think deserves special discussion here:

Because of the way Fed defines the snap's extent in time (unlike NCAA, where the snap ends when the ball leaves the snapper's hands), if the press release is accurate, the snap will become a free pass in Fed. (It'll be like the way many people play half-court basketball, where the throw-in after a goal can't be intercepted, but unlike that game, there's no requirement of a subsequent pass in football 11s.) That'll make no difference to the most common styles of snap, but when you think about it, it makes a profound difference to certain other styles.

bcl1127 Mon Feb 27, 2017 12:42pm

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Originally Posted by Robert Goodman (Post 1001184)
I've been writing my takes at coaching discussion sites on the announced Fed football changes, but at least one of them I think deserves special discussion here:

Because of the way Fed defines the snap's extent in time (unlike NCAA, where the snap ends when the ball leaves the snapper's hands), if the press release is accurate, the snap will become a free pass in Fed. (It'll be like the way many people play half-court basketball, where the throw-in after a goal can't be intercepted, but unlike that game, there's no requirement of a subsequent pass in football 11s.) That'll make no difference to the most common styles of snap, but when you think about it, it makes a profound difference to certain other styles.

I think you are, as usual, reading to much into this...it is stopping the crazy trying to knock the ball out of the snappers hand during a knee...that is all...

Robert Goodman Mon Feb 27, 2017 02:42pm

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Originally Posted by bcl1127 (Post 1001272)
I think you are, as usual, reading to much into this...it is stopping the crazy trying to knock the ball out of the snappers hand during a knee...that is all...

So you're saying the wording in the press release wouldn't apply to a player of team B's getting a hand on a snap that's slung far & shallow to a side of the field? What about it gives you confidence that won't be ruled encroachment?

bcl1127 Tue Feb 28, 2017 01:08pm

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Originally Posted by Robert Goodman (Post 1001284)
So you're saying the wording in the press release wouldn't apply to a player of team B's getting a hand on a snap that's slung far & shallow to a side of the field? What about it gives you confidence that won't be ruled encroachment?

It's called the case book, and judgement. and you should read what the definition of a snap is...

ajmc Tue Feb 28, 2017 05:28pm

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Originally Posted by Robert Goodman (Post 1001284)
So you're saying the wording in the press release wouldn't apply to a player of team B's getting a hand on a snap that's slung far & shallow to a side of the field? What about it gives you confidence that won't be ruled encroachment?

As bcl1127 suggests Robert, NFHS 2-40-1,2 & 3 explain, this new rule adjustment seems to fit well the condition you describe.

Robert Goodman Wed Mar 01, 2017 04:25pm

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Originally Posted by ajmc (Post 1001347)
As bcl1127 suggests Robert, NFHS 2-40-1,2 & 3 explain, this new rule adjustment seems to fit well the condition you describe.

We're reading the same definition, so how do you think this rule adjustment won't produce an encroachment foul in that situation?

ajmc Thu Mar 02, 2017 04:40pm

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Originally Posted by Robert Goodman (Post 1001414)
We're reading the same definition, so how do you think this rule adjustment won't produce an encroachment foul in that situation?

I'm not quite sure what you mean by "that situation", but if you are referencing a situation where a defensive player attempting to slap, a snap (in ANY direction) in such a manner that it also violated 9-4-6 (Roughing the snapper) unless there was distinct separation between the actions, I would consider the attempted interference with the snap as a component, or part, of the greater violation of Roughing the snapper, and consider both actions as a single Dead Ball foul.

bcl1127 Wed Mar 08, 2017 11:10am

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Originally Posted by Robert Goodman (Post 1001284)
So you're saying the wording in the press release wouldn't apply to a player of team B's getting a hand on a snap that's slung far & shallow to a side of the field? What about it gives you confidence that won't be ruled encroachment?

7-1-6: Now stipulates that it is encroachment to strike the ball or the snapper’s hand/arm prior to the snapper releasing the ball.

Rationale: Defensive players are restricted from contacting the ball or the snapper’s hand(s) or arm(s) until the snapper has released the ball

Robert Goodman Wed Mar 08, 2017 01:39pm

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Originally Posted by bcl1127 (Post 1001922)
7-1-6: Now stipulates that it is encroachment to strike the ball or the snapper’s hand/arm prior to the snapper releasing the ball.

Rationale: Defensive players are restricted from contacting the ball or the snapper’s hand(s) or arm(s) until the snapper has released the ball

I went by the wording of the press release:
Quote:

In addition, now defensive players are restricted from contacting the ball prior to the end of the snap or making contact with the snapper’s hand(s) or arm(s) until the snapper has released the ball.
Where did your quote come from? I sure hope either the p.r. got it wrong, or they had 2nd thoughts after it came out, & adopted the wording you quoted.

HLin NC Wed Mar 08, 2017 02:01pm

A press release is merely a synopsis of the rule change. It isn't meant to be used to interpret the actual rule.

Robert Goodman Wed Mar 08, 2017 09:09pm

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Originally Posted by HLin NC (Post 1001936)
A press release is merely a synopsis of the rule change. It isn't meant to be used to interpret the actual rule.

Of course, but where did bcl1127 get his summary statement?

HLin NC Thu Mar 09, 2017 08:04am

http://www.nfhs.org/sports-resource-...-changes-2017/

bcl1127 Thu Mar 09, 2017 12:22pm

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Originally Posted by HLin NC (Post 1001977)

Beat me to it.

Robert Goodman Thu Mar 09, 2017 10:16pm

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Originally Posted by HLin NC (Post 1001977)

Thanks. Now I'm wondering why Fed even cares about who advertises on game balls. Their "Rationale" isn't a rationale at all, just an elaboration.


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