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Kansas Ref Wed Jan 18, 2017 03:13pm

Chiefs vs Steelers--2 pt try
 
There was a holding call made against our KC left tackle on an edge rusher on Pitt in last SUnday Playoff Game. The result of the call was that it disallowed our successful 2 pt try that would've tied the game. Many fans are saying that the such call should have been ignored because the Pitt player was falling down anyhow. Even a HS football ref told me that he would've passed on the call.
Am I missing something here? Do NFL officials call games tighter than HS level refs? Would it have been reasonable to pass on that call? Or was that call really a call that a normal ref would've made--despite the gravity of the situation?

Rich Wed Jan 18, 2017 03:18pm

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Originally Posted by Kansas Ref (Post 997761)
There was a holding call made against our KC left tackle on an edge rusher on Pitt in last SUnday Playoff Game. The result of the call was that it disallowed our successful 2 pt try that would've tied the game. Many fans are saying that the such call should have been ignored because the Pitt player was falling down anyhow. Even a HS football ref told me that he would've passed on the call.
Am I missing something here? Do NFL officials call games tighter than HS level refs? Would it have been reasonable to pass on that call? Or was that call really a call that a normal ref would've made--despite the gravity of the situation?

Our?

I would not have passed and I'm also a HS ref. So, are we even now?

Whether I call a hold on that play has nothing to do with the situation. Two points is two points.

Mbilica Wed Jan 18, 2017 03:34pm

That was a hook and restrict that turned into a takedown. The defender wouldn't fall down if he hadn't been dragged down...

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WhistlesAndStripes Wed Jan 18, 2017 03:40pm

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Originally Posted by Kansas Ref (Post 997761)
There was a holding call made against our KC left tackle on an edge rusher on Pitt in last SUnday Playoff Game. The result of the call was that it disallowed our successful 2 pt try that would've tied the game. Many fans are saying that the such call should have been ignored because the Pitt player was falling down anyhow. Even a HS football ref told me that he would've passed on the call.
Am I missing something here? Do NFL officials call games tighter than HS level refs? Would it have been reasonable to pass on that call? Or was that call really a call that a normal ref would've made--despite the gravity of the situation?

I'm a former HS Football official, and that was as clear a hold as you can find. Wipe away your tears, congratulate the Steelers, and better luck next year.

Rich Wed Jan 18, 2017 04:09pm

Wonder if the HS FB ref referenced in the first post was a Chiefs fan, too.

MD Longhorn Wed Jan 18, 2017 04:35pm

I think we should thank that lineman for video we can use to show a perfect example of a hold in our clinics next season.

JRutledge Wed Jan 18, 2017 05:10pm

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Originally Posted by Kansas Ref (Post 997761)
Even a HS football ref told me that he would've passed on the call. Am I missing something here?

Well I am a HS Referee and I would have called that a hold. And would have called that if it was a college game. Maybe the guys you asked were not worth a crap at that level?

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Originally Posted by Kansas Ref (Post 997761)
Do NFL officials call games tighter than HS level refs? Would it have been reasonable to pass on that call? Or was that call really a call that a normal ref would've made--despite the gravity of the situation?

No, usually the NFL requires more takedowns to get a hold call. HS officials in my experience have a simple jersey pull even if for a moment and call a foul. Yes the call was warranted and warranted at all levels I work and I do not work the NFL. Who cares about the situation as well. If you prevent the defender from making a play, that is the point of attack.

Peace

Adam Wed Jan 18, 2017 05:46pm

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Originally Posted by MD Longhorn (Post 997777)
I think we should thank that lineman for video we can use to show a perfect example of a hold in our clinics next season.

This

WhistlesAndStripes Wed Jan 18, 2017 06:33pm

Well, here's a pretty blunt statement by the NFL about what they thought of the call:

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Kelce, from the Chefs, will love that!!

Kansas Ref Thu Jan 19, 2017 01:26pm

Well I guess that settles it.

Texas Aggie Thu Jan 19, 2017 07:23pm

He had already been put in there, though I guess its possible he could have been removed had he screwed something up badly.

My problem with the call is that it is initiated by the defender's arm coming up and locking the offensive player's arm into that position. Could the offensive player have released had he wanted to?


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