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Regarding when the clock starts: 3.4.3h and 3.4.6 should be considered. "When a team attempts to conserve time illegally, the R shall order the clock stopped or started." Case book 3.4.6 Situation A allows for an illegal forward incomplete pass to be started on the RFP. Last edited by whitehat; Tue Nov 08, 2016 at 06:10pm. |
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IFP is considered a running play (as defined by 10-3-1, as opposed to a loose-ball play). That the play ended when the IFP hit the ground doesn't change that designation.
The basic spot for a running play is the "End of the Run (with the exception of an ABO situation) NFHS 3-4-3 determines when the clock starts with a snap, which does not include when a team gains a (continuous) first down (which is what this question is ALL ABOUT). As suggested, when the succeeding spot left "A" behind the LTG, the "loss of down' provision of IFP would end the series for "A", starting a new series for "B" for which (according to 3-4-3) begins with a snap. Since , in this example, "A" earned a "continuous" new series, the clock starts on the RFP. NFHS: 3-4-6 is simply not a relevant factor, in this scenario. |
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No, but it does include when there's an incomplete pass. The first down's occurrence doesn't negate the incomplete pass's occurrence. In fact, 3-4-2 says the provisions of 3-4-3 supersede it: "for any reason other than specified in rule 3-4-3". So the only way I see the clock starting on the RFP if team A retains the ball is 3-4-6.
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Either "A" made the 1st down, clock starts on the ready, or they didn't and "B" then starts a new series, clock starts on the snap. |
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We know that from 3-4-3e that an incomplete illegal forward pass would result in the clock being started at the snap.
In this case though I think an argument can be made for starting the clock on the ready via 3-4-6 considering the situation.
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That is not correct per the rule I cited earlier unless the Referee decides to invoke 3-4-6 and wind it on the ready.
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After re-reading 3-4-3-e (more carefully), I'd agree with you. Thanks for pointing that out.
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