Face mask penalty

[Rmwttm]

In NFHS, Is a 5yd face mask penalty added to end of run or marked from LOS and replay down?

[Line_Judge]

Originally Posted by Rmwttm

In NFHS, Is a 5yd face mask penalty added to end of run or marked from LOS and replay down?

End of the run.


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[Rich]

Originally Posted by Rmwttm

In NFHS, Is a 5yd face mask penalty added to end of run or marked from LOS and replay down?

If it's a running play:

End of the run AND replay the down.

[Welpe]

The rulebook answer is that it depends upon the type of play as Rich alluded to.

For example, if it's a facemask foul by the defense with a pass in the air, it's going to be enforced from the previous spot and a replay of the down.

[MD Longhorn]

What about a run where the tackle (and facemask) occurred behind the LOS?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

What about a run where the tackle (and facemask) occurred behind the LOS?

NFHS rules: No difference. 5 from the end of the run and replay the down.

This is one of my big pet peeves with NFHS rules. I can pull a passer down illegally with a face mask and still get "credit" for the yardage lost due to my illegal act.

[MD Longhorn]

And if the facemask/tackle is in the end zone?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

And if the facemask/tackle is in the end zone?

Then the basic spot is the goal line.

Are you trying to cover every case? Nobody's fumbled yet.

[MD Longhorn]

No... remember, I worked NCAA rules, so I was curious about the NFHS rules after i read your answer, and I THINK NCAA rules differ. Then again ... also remember that I hung em up for football about 5 years ago --- so I could be either simply wrong, or using obsolete rules..

Seems to me (and you allude to this) the RIGHT (as in "fair", not "correct") way would be to go from LOS if this happened in the backfield.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

No... remember, I worked NCAA rules, so I was curious about the NFHS rules after i read your answer, and I THINK NCAA rules differ. Then again ... also remember that I hung em up for football about 5 years ago --- so I could be either simply wrong, or using obsolete rules..

Seems to me (and you allude to this) the RIGHT (as in "fair", not "correct") way would be to go from LOS if this happened in the backfield.

As NCAA rules do.

NFHS rules -- we're too "stupid" to have exceptions to the "normal" enforcements, remember?

[jTheUmp]

Yeah... NCAA rules differ from FED rules in these situations.

NCAA basically (with some exceptions, intentional grounding being the most obvious example) enforces fouls for both Team A and Team B from the previous spot if they happen behind the NZ, for both run plays and loose-ball plays.

Anything beyond the NZ is enforced under three-and-one, with the basic spot as the end of the related run.

FED is simpler in the sense that everything is enforced under all-but-one, and the basic spot is the end of the related run on a running play, no matter where the run ends.

Loose-ball plays in FED have the basic spot as the previous spot, same as NCAA.



NOTE: For those that aren't familiar with both rule sets, "three-and-one" and "all-but-one" are the same thing with different language (because why use the same language when you can use different language to add an extra layer of confusion?)