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JRutledge Sun Sep 11, 2016 10:18pm

Targeting calls Week 2 of College Football
 
Was this targeting?

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/T4I2ARZ3Sx8" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Not called targeting, there was another foul on this play.

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/Xp2u4KYyBKw" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

I will add if I find any others.

Peace

youngump Mon Sep 12, 2016 10:21am

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 990688)
Was this targeting?

I will add if I find any others.

Peace

BYU players were ejected for targeting on back-to-back plays vs. Utah - SBNation.com (though it comes with the sportswriters analysis)

jTheUmp Mon Sep 12, 2016 10:57am

Yes on the Michigan play. I don't think the receiver is considered defenseless on this play (he's already turned upfield when the contact occurs), but the defender does make forcible contact with the crown of the helmet.

Less certain on the second play, from that camera angle it looks like the forcible contact is shoulder to shoulder. Another camera angle (from C's POV) might have a different conclusion.

JRutledge Mon Sep 12, 2016 12:21pm

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Originally Posted by jTheUmp (Post 990709)
Yes on the Michigan play. I don't think the receiver is considered defenseless on this play (he's already turned upfield when the contact occurs), but the defender does make forcible contact with the crown of the helmet.

I think he is defenseless, but that does not mean any hit on him is a foul.

I think the NCAA has made this so narrow, that any hit we think should stand. I understand why it was called, but I do not think it was a ultimately correct. But I do get it in this day and age.

Quote:

Originally Posted by jTheUmp (Post 990709)
Less certain on the second play, from that camera angle it looks like the forcible contact is shoulder to shoulder. Another camera angle (from C's POV) might have a different conclusion.

I do agree that this does appear to be shoulder hit in the chest. It just stood out to me when looking at the game as a possible call that I was wondering what the BIG will think about this one.

Peace

Welpe Mon Sep 12, 2016 03:22pm

In the first play, I think the receiver can still be considered defenseless but barely. The hit was to his head with the defender's shoulder so it meets the 9-1-3 definition of targeting.

Matt-MI Mon Sep 12, 2016 04:36pm

I like that the talking head contidicts himself on the Michigan call. "Obviously he is launching into him but hitting him in the chest with his shoulder pads".

ajmc Mon Sep 12, 2016 04:48pm

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Originally Posted by Matt-MI (Post 990742)
I like that the talking head contidicts himself on the Michigan call. "Obviously he is launching into him but hitting him in the chest with his shoulder pads".

You don't have to hear what you refuse to listen, or pay attention, to, and then you don't have to respond to what you never heard,

WhistlesAndStripes Mon Sep 12, 2016 05:31pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 990688)
I will add if I find any others.

Peace

There were 2 at the end of the BYU-Utah Game. Probably in the last 10 minutes or so of the 4th quarter.

youngump Mon Sep 12, 2016 09:34pm

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Originally Posted by Whistles & Stripes (Post 990748)
There were 2 at the end of the BYU-Utah Game. Probably in the last 10 minutes or so of the 4th quarter.

Both in the third quarter and both available at my link above. :D

JRutledge Tue Sep 13, 2016 12:28am

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Originally Posted by youngump (Post 990700)

Here they are with the different angles and commentary.

1st one:

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/ACbxf13dL4U" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

2nd one (and more angles):

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/XAhp5FrNFXw" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Peace

CT1 Tue Sep 13, 2016 08:02am

ETA: (BYU-Utah)

I don't have a foul in Play 1.

In Play 2, the player lines up and targets the opponent's head, and makes forcible contact.

PS: Mike Pereria needs to stick to NFL commentary.

JRutledge Tue Sep 13, 2016 08:09am

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Originally Posted by CT1 (Post 990775)
I don't have a foul in Play 1.

In Play 2, the player lines up and targets the opponent's head, and makes forcible contact.

PS: Mike Pereria needs to stick to NFL commentary.

I happen to agree with Mike on this completely. They have made this rule so black and white that any helmet contact is a foul and the penalty is too severe for situations that are not as egregious.

Peace

JRutledge Tue Sep 13, 2016 11:02pm

Talked to the Referee on the Michigan game about the call and part of his reasoning. He said that the angle from the sideline, looking into the play sold him on the call. The way the Michigan player's helmet moved up was a sign he got hit in the head. Based on how many conversations with him, his logic made total sense to me when I spoke to him. I was focused too much on the fact it was slight.

He also made a point which really brought home the point. "Why do they have the rule in the first place? To get this out of the game." So the fact that he hit him at all in the head is the reason this rule is in place. Players have to adjust so this is not done as often.

Peace

Texas Aggie Wed Sep 14, 2016 12:19am

Both the Michigan and Tenn hits are targeting.


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