Football Plays to Review (Video)

[JRutledge]

I am willing to do the same thing that I did for the basketball site for the football season.

Here are a couple of plays to consider for the weekend.



If you have a play you would like to be discussed, I would need the game, the time of the game and what the play involves like the penalty or the situation and if there is replay would help.

I will let it be known that football is harder to do this as the clips are longer. But if I have specifics, this can be easier.

I also will not be doing as many games and mostly NCAA games. The NFL games might be harder to do alone because of my schedule.

I just wanted to see if we can make this place more of a discussion on actual plays and not always creating plays out of the sky or without some discussion points.

Peace

[JRutledge]

Peace

[JRutledge]

Last one in this thread.



Discuss away!!!

Peace

[jTheUmp]

Play 1: Roughing the Snapper. Team A gets choice to: a) decline the penalty and take the points, or b) accept the penalty and get an untimed down to end the half. (Full disclosure: I've previously worked with 2 of the officials that worked this game).

Play 2: Incomplete.

Play 3: I could see an argument for not having KCI, but this is definitely targeting.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by jTheUmp

Play 1: Roughing the Snapper. Team A gets choice to: a) decline the penalty and take the points, or b) accept the penalty and get an untimed down to end the half. (Full disclosure: I've previously worked with 2 of the officials that worked this game).

One of the officials in the game is from one of my associations and was referenced in the conversation about the enforcement.

Also, are your options NCAA or NF or both? Because I believe the NF enforcement is different.

Peace

[jTheUmp]

I was referring strictly to NCAA enforcement in my original post.

For FED:
Play 1: still RTS. K can enforce from the previous spot and have an untimed down, or keep the points and have the 15 yards enforced on the subsequent kickoff at the start of the second half (which is what they did in this game).

Play 2: incomplete.

Play 3: not KCI, but is still targeting.

[ajmc]

From an NFHS perspective; Play # 1: Definitely Roughing the Snapper, FG was good, K has option of replaying the down, 15 yds closer during an untimed down OR accepting the score and having the penalty enforced at the succeeding spot, which would be the 2nd half KO (8-4-3-b)

Play #2: The player appears to gain clear possession in the air and maintain it through touching the ground (with both feet) in the endzone, after which the contact drives him to the ground, and contact with the ground dislodges the ball.

The covering official was in excellent position to see the play unfold, and under NCAA rules correctly ruled the pass incomplete. Under NFHS rules, I'd call a TD.(2-4-1)

Play # 3: Both KCI and PF Targeting is correct, and in an NFHS game, #21 (Tenn) is absolutely done for the day and gone. (2-20-2, 9-4-3-m: Disqualification also if any fouls under this article are judged by the game official to be flagrant)

[SC Official]

The opening kickoff of Vandy/SC would also be a good play for discussion.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by SC Official

The opening kickoff of Vandy/SC would also be a good play for discussion.

You ain't never lie on that one.

Here is the play.



Peace

[SC Official]

The entire ball didn't come out but his knee didn't touch the ground.

[BoomerSooner]

Originally Posted by SC Official

The entire ball didn't come out but his knee didn't touch the ground.

For NCAA the knee not touching the ground isn't relevant to this play. By rule, "the ball becomes dead ... when a ball carrier simulates placing his knee on the ground" (NCAA 4-1-3o). So if we determine the ball didn't leave the end zone, then we have a dead ball ending in the end zone and a touchback.

[SC Official]

Originally Posted by BoomerSooner

For NCAA the knee not touching the ground isn't relevant to this play. By rule, "the ball becomes dead ... when a ball carrier simulates placing his knee on the ground" (NCAA 4-1-3o). So if we determine the ball didn't leave the end zone, then we have a dead ball ending in the end zone and a touchback.

Did not know this. Thanks.

[BoomerSooner]

I could be wrong, but I think it was added to prevent teams from having the QB fake kneeling to get the defense to relax and then taking a shot right before halftime.

[teebob21]

Not a football official, but I like to think I know the rules. I look forward to the rest of the discussion in the thread.

#1. Penalty should be applied on the succeeding kickoff, I guess (???). (Rule 10, Art. 5) However, I freely admit I have no idea how halftime plays into this. (Sidebar: if it was an unsportsmanlike conduct personal foul, say, for fighting, is it enforced the same, i.e. after the half?)

#2. Incomplete. (NCAA AR 7-3-6 XIII)

#3. I personally don't have KCI here, but definitely targeting. Eject. (Forcible contact to head or neck of defenseless opponent; clearly the returner meets the qualifications of 2.14.d)

#4. We don't have a great angle here, but it doesn't look like the entire ball crosses the plane of the goal line. Touchback.

[jdmara]

If you have it available, I would love to see the entire play with review of the Northwestern drive at 3:01 in the 4th period. It's the wild fumble into the end zone, WM recovery followed by an illegal bat (or forward pass). It ended up being called a touchback. Thanks