The Official Forum  

Go Back   The Official Forum > Football

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
  #16 (permalink)  
Old Mon Aug 22, 2016, 01:09pm
TODO: creative title here
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Minneapolis, MN
Posts: 1,250
Quote:
Originally Posted by BigT View Post
The young adult who had done 6 of the lat 7 years LL showed up 5 minutes before game time in grey shorts and was doing his first time at the R position. The other gentleman appeared to have a few years under his belt and struggled helping the R with his duties, the chain crew and helping this rookie. And too boot the score keeper was new and was stopping the clock too much. And we had a tiny basketball score clock in the endzone which was difficult to see.
Sounds pretty typical for that level, unfortunately.

Quote:
It is very challenging for me to not raise my hand when a play is dead. And when to kill the clock and when to let it run. You would think that would be simple but it so different then basketball and lax its going to be a challenge.
To make it even worse, raising your hand when the ball is dead is the mechanic at the NCAA and NFL levels (in other words, basically every game you see on TV). But they're doing it to start the 40-second play clock. (And, to be honest, I see a fair amount of high school officials around here doing it also).

Quote:
Freshman game they were really good at only have 4 backs. Youth they had a wing back and had 5 many times and I couldnt pull the trigger because that wing back was kinda close to the line so do I see him as a back or lineman...
If in doubt, they're lined up legally.

Quote:
Counting 7 on the line... do I need to move a little to have the angle to count that? Was challenging.
Counting players is something that gets a lot easier with experience... you'll learn to count them by groups.

Is your R counting Team A players? If he is, he should be signaling his count. So, the easiest way to do it is look for the R's signal, and then count 4 players in the backfield.

Quote:
If a d-lines head is in the neutral zone is that my call...
Yes, because you (and the other line-of-scrimmage official on the other sideline) are the only one who can see it. Also, remember that in FED football, defensive offside is a dead-ball foul, so you'll want to shut the play down just before the snap if you can, or right after the snap if you have to.

Quote:
I think I saw for sure 2 pushes in the back the entire day.. didnt call either.
You will.

Quote:
Never saw a clip. Saw a facemask...
Fairly typical... since blocks below the waist are almost completely illegal in FED rules, very few coaches teach cut blocking anymore. Facemask fouls are usually the result of inadvertently grabbing the mask.
Reply With Quote
  #17 (permalink)  
Old Tue Aug 23, 2016, 10:03am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: SLC Utah
Posts: 562
If a player grabs the jersey from behind and yanks the player down backwards that is a horse collar tackle?
__________________
BigT "The rookie"
Reply With Quote
  #18 (permalink)  
Old Tue Aug 23, 2016, 10:28am
Chain of Fools
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 1,647
I
Quote:
f a player grabs the jersey from behind and yanks the player down backwards that is a horse collar tackle?
If you are using NFHS, see 9-4-3k.
Reply With Quote
  #19 (permalink)  
Old Tue Aug 23, 2016, 11:32am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: SLC Utah
Posts: 562
Thanks man.

LINING UP OVER SNAPPER
20. No defensive player may be lined up over the snapper and on the line
of scrimmage if there is no player in position to take a hand-to-hand
snap. The
restriction is not in effect if an offensive player shifts to a position to take a hand to-
hand
snap.
A defensive player lined up over the snapper must be positioned 5 yards off his
line of scrimmage regardless of the offensive teamís formation until the ball is snapped.

Who is the primary official to call this. 5 yards seems like a lot.
__________________
BigT "The rookie"
Reply With Quote
  #20 (permalink)  
Old Tue Aug 23, 2016, 01:37pm
TODO: creative title here
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Minneapolis, MN
Posts: 1,250
That's not a FED rule (or an NCAA rule, for that matter).

If it's an NFL rule, I'd assume it's the responsibility of the Umpire or Side Judge.
Reply With Quote
  #21 (permalink)  
Old Tue Aug 23, 2016, 03:13pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: SLC Utah
Posts: 562
Quote:
Originally Posted by jTheUmp View Post
That's not a FED rule (or an NCAA rule, for that matter).

If it's an NFL rule, I'd assume it's the responsibility of the Umpire or Side Judge.
Could it be a youth rule?
__________________
BigT "The rookie"
Reply With Quote
  #22 (permalink)  
Old Tue Aug 23, 2016, 03:16pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: SLC Utah
Posts: 562
When all 11 get into position you count one thousand one and then someone can go in motion. Seems easy enough.
__________________
BigT "The rookie"
Reply With Quote
  #23 (permalink)  
Old Tue Aug 23, 2016, 03:22pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: West Bend, WI
Posts: 336
Quote:
Originally Posted by BigT View Post
If a player grabs the jersey from behind and yanks the player down backwards that is a horse collar tackle?
It is according to the guys on the home sideline this past week :-)

Kid was pulled down by grabbing the other right at the top of the numbers. Not even close.

Illegal Horse-Collar Tackle
Rule 9-4-3
No player or non-player shall grab the inside back or side collar of the shoulder pads or jersey of the runner and subsequently pull (backward or sideward) that opponent to he ground (Horse-collar).
The horse collar foul is enforced s a live-ball foul.
__________________
"Assumption is the mother of all screw-ups...."
Reply With Quote
  #24 (permalink)  
Old Tue Aug 23, 2016, 03:27pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: West Bend, WI
Posts: 336
Quote:
Originally Posted by BigT View Post
Could it be a youth rule?
That is an NFL rule or form of it, yes....and what some youth coaches around here thought was gospel in their ruleset until we squared them up on it.

Roughing the center/snapper to these guys meant that you couldn't line up over him either. If I had a dollar for every "they touched our center" back when I did these games, I could have a lake house up North.
__________________
"Assumption is the mother of all screw-ups...."
Reply With Quote
  #25 (permalink)  
Old Tue Aug 23, 2016, 03:27pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: SLC Utah
Posts: 562
If I am the QB and we are on the 20 and I run back to 27 yard line and intentional ground the ball do I start the next down on the 25 or 32?
__________________
BigT "The rookie"
Reply With Quote
  #26 (permalink)  
Old Tue Aug 23, 2016, 03:30pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: SLC Utah
Posts: 562
Quote:
Originally Posted by Canned Heat View Post
It is according to the guys on the home sideline this past week :-)

Kid was pulled down by grabbing the other right at the top of the numbers. Not even close.

Illegal Horse-Collar Tackle
Rule 9-4-3
No player or non-player shall grab the inside back or side collar of the shoulder pads or jersey of the runner and subsequently pull (backward or sideward) that opponent to he ground (Horse-collar).
The horse collar foul is enforced s a live-ball foul.
Is this a youth or Fed rule?
__________________
BigT "The rookie"
Reply With Quote
  #27 (permalink)  
Old Tue Aug 23, 2016, 03:30pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: SLC Utah
Posts: 562
Quote:
Originally Posted by Canned Heat View Post
That is an NFL rule or form of it, yes....and what some youth coaches around here thought was gospel in their ruleset until we squared them up on it.

Roughing the center/snapper to these guys meant that you couldn't line up over him either. If I had a dollar for every "they touched our center" back when I did these games, I could have a lake house up North.
Is it only if there is contact before the snapper can be ready or just lining up over him its a foul? Is that youth or FED?
__________________
BigT "The rookie"
Reply With Quote
  #28 (permalink)  
Old Tue Aug 23, 2016, 10:09pm
Chain of Fools
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 1,647
Youth rules are usually local adaptations of one of the major rule codes. You need to seek guidance from your local officials as none of us know which rules set you a using.

There is no regulation in NFHS regarding where to line up over the snapper. A B/R player may not charge directly into him, in a scrimmage kick formation, until he has an opportunity to recover from the snap or when he moves to participate in the play.
Reply With Quote
  #29 (permalink)  
Old Wed Aug 24, 2016, 07:37am
CT1 CT1 is offline
Official & ***** Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 1,049
Quote:
Originally Posted by BigT View Post
If I am the QB and we are on the 20 and I run back to 27 yard line and intentional ground the ball do I start the next down on the 25 or 32?
(FED) The 32, with loss of down.
Reply With Quote
  #30 (permalink)  
Old Wed Aug 24, 2016, 08:36am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: West Bend, WI
Posts: 336
Quote:
Originally Posted by BigT View Post
Is it only if there is contact before the snapper can be ready or just lining up over him its a foul? Is that youth or FED?
Fed....this group (AAYFL here in WI) used WIAA w/ adaptations at the time. I believe they still do. I have no clue what the ruleset is by you, so you need to look into that and verse yourself with it.


And that's the thing...he CAN be contacted, he just can't be blown up with his head down....B needs to let him protect himself and get his head up or avoid major contact while unprotected (head down). Many of these guys would teach their C's to snap the ball on scrimmage kick formations and keep their head down and then if a guy shot the gap and bumped their kid in the hip or leg, they wanted 15....that's not what the rule is or is there for.

Roughing the center/snapper (FED/NFHS 9-4-6) 15 yards from previous and first down.

Horse collar tackle is also a FED/NFHS rule (9-4-3k) and variations exist in NFL/NCAA/CFL) 15 yards

Good luck.
__________________
"Assumption is the mother of all screw-ups...."
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Help a rookie out. jeremy341a Basketball 22 Fri Sep 28, 2012 09:46pm
New/Old Rookie big Volleyball 5 Sat Apr 08, 2006 03:28pm
The Rookie Adam Basketball 4 Tue Jan 11, 2005 03:07pm
Rookie jcurtin Basketball 3 Mon Dec 13, 2004 05:00pm
i'm a rookie minnesota ref Basketball 2 Mon Jan 31, 2000 08:23am


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:04pm.



Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.3.0 RC1