More Ohio Micromanaging!
 

Great clarifications and improvement to the Ohio Gold book. The Gold Book has made significant advances to officiating in Ohio.


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A lot of good advice and practical applications . Don't know about "The
receiver must have the opportunity to perform a second act (i.e. dive to pylon, possess & turn up field in order to rule catch.

Sounds like a "bridge too far" and is a lot closer to NFL than NFHS.

You want consistency don't you? And every thing from the NFL is not foreign to the high school level.

Peace

And what if a 2nd act makes no sense? What 2nd act does the receiver have to have the "opportunity to perform" if he catches the ball in the opposing end zone? Besides, "opportunity" is usually used in the sense of lack of hindrance; seems more likely they want the receiver to actually perform a 2nd act.

Over many decades, the rules makers have fiddled with the presence or absence of add'l wording to clarify what "possession" is, and I don't know if they ever succeed in clarifying it or taking any element of judgment out of it.

There's no reasonable expectation of consistency between NFL and NFHS. NFL is game played by exceptional adults designed to generate huge sums of money, NFHS is an interscholastic sporting event played by teenagers.

NFL players ROUTINELY perform physical acts teenagers usually only fantasize about. The two games are on completely different levels, for completely different purposes (each of which work very well on their own LEVEL).

Consistency is a laudable and achievable objective, within a game, maybe within a season at the same level. EXPECTING it on EVERYTHING between different levels is simply an impossible overreach.

As levels rise, so do individual skills and rules, at times, need to adjust to keep pace with higher skills.

Too bad you can't fine coaches who let players violate uniform rules like the players get fined in the NFL!! :)

Individual skill has nothing to do with ruling on a catch. We expect similar things at all levels for a holding to be called or a passing interference to called. I really do not understand why people think a player cannot expect them to control the ball similarly as someone at the higher levels? Heck, if you do not have the ball at the end of the catch anyway, I am supposed to use some artificial standard as to when you had the ball and I have no replay to confirm or deny such a call?

Actually, I think it is easier to rule on catches because the players are a little slower, but I still use the same basic standards before I rule a catch. I don't need state guidelines to make those rulings either.

Peace

You see micromanaging, I see philosophies to ensure more consistent officiating.

I have been critical of the Gold Book in the past and the whole "contenders/pretenders" nonsense, but this is a great document I will probably use myself in an association meeting.

I agree that far too often the effort to add generalized clarifying language creates more additional questions than it does answers. I submit the focus, and concentration, should be directed more at a thorough understanding of "possession" (NFHS:2-34-1 & 2) and the requirements of a "Catch"
(NFHS : 2-4).

"Perform a second act" seems extraordinarily ambiguous, subject to never ending interpretation and dispute, where as assessing and judging "possession", maintained while in contact with the ground in-bounds is finite, after which whatever happens, happens. (continues to advance, stopped, fumble, TD, OOB, etc)

Personal Foul
1. Contact with the helmet in an attempt to punish is a foul & may result in a
DQ.**


If you judge contact to be an attempt to punish why would you say may? Shouldn't any contact that is deemed an attempt to punish be a DQ??

I may not connect the way I wanted.

No targeting is an automatic DQ in NFHS football.

It is no different than the usage of "common to the game" that is used for years. The NF to me has always been behind the times in how they give interpretations or even set up standards that are almost never covered directly by rules. Because what is actual possession when other aspects of the game take place? Now again if the NF does not want to be more clear, then state organizations will set the standard. Honestly, if you do not work in Ohio, you can do whatever you wish. But for the rest of us, we will use some standard that is not always illustrated in the rulebook. I will use the "holding" foul that is called in my area when it has a POA element or so obvious it cannot be ignored and that is not something you will see in the current rulebook.

Peace

No different in the sense of being just as superfluous. NCAA deleted the phrase long ago, then put it back in (while NFL kept it), and to what gain? It's asking the official to rule on the hypothetic, i.e. could the player with the ball have done this? Gee, I don't know, how could you tell? Only by judging the firmness of the player's grip, which is what it boils down to. So why don't they just say that?

Even the various codes' use of the concept of "control" of the ball as something possibly distinct (Because why else use a different word?) from "grasp" or "possession" is fishy. Yes, "possession" has a technical meaning to which "grasp" and "control" are only inputs, but the language could easily be simplified.

Makes sense Rich

http://www.ipfo.us/Targeting%20and%2...r%20Review.pdf

I do not officiate football (but I did officiate H.S. futbol from 1993 to 2005, :p). But my best officiating friend in Ohio is a long time OhioHSAA football official and football rules interpreter. And this is straight from him: The Director of Officials Development for Football is a retired NFL official and the OhioHSAA does not use NFHS Football Mechanics and instead has written its own officials manual.

MTD, Sr.

Should read "instead has written HIS own officials manual"

A lot of states to my understanding do not use the NF Mechanics books as it is outdated and has not evolved. It is actually one of the worst mechanics books I can remember out of all the other books. Illinois for example does not use the NF book for a similar reason.

Peace

For football, I'm not sure what's all that outdated in the NFHS manual.

The one thing Ohio does that I'm simply not fond of is put the R on the wide side of the field. So the R flip-flops sides during a series depending on where the ball is spotted?

Not. A. Fan.

EXACTLY the point, I was attempting to make. "Common to the game" as well as "Perform a second act" mean different things to different people, and have done so for years, which is an ever present problem with trying to create a "simple" statement that covers an infinite number of variations, equally.

What seems far more important is reaching a thorough understanding of what "possession" and "maintaining it" actually means, and then applying that understanding EXCLUSIVELY to what you actually see unfolding before your eyes, in the unique circumstance you're looking at.

It does not have to mean different things if it is taught the same way. The problem as I see it is we have rules book nazis that go around getting upset when everything is not perfectly listed in the rules book. Well not every application or philosophy is listed that perfectly. These philosophies are so that you are consistent. And honestly I do not worry about what others around me do, I care mostly about what I do because I am the one that can control what I call. As a crew we talk about these things so we share the same philosophy as well, but everyone has to live and die with their calls. Not everything is a group thought.

Peace

A lot of things. Like how to cover the goal line. Where to set up on something as simple as an scrimmage kick (at least this was the case for years). My state got tired of doing everything that was never updated and changed specific mechanics that if we used the manual, would have been big holes in plays covered.

I am not saying I would agree with everything Ohio does, but I certainly do not agree with the NF book on many things. Now unless they have changed, they were not much help in the sport of football. And certainly, that was just the crew of 5. Heck if you had fewer officials on the field, the NF was almost no help.

Peace

Not much, if anything, that I'm aware of. We use it and it works fine. The only thing I don't really care for in the manual is kickoff coverage. And I like setting up deeper as umpire than the manual's recommended 5-7 yards.

I also hate the triangle in three man but 3-man isn't even in the book anymore and we almost never work it so that's a moot point.

And our mechanics allows for officials in 3-person to have two wings and a Umpire/Referee positions in either part of the backfield of the offensive or defensive team.

Peace

Kickoff coverage -- I hear you.

I won't work 3 ever, so the question is moot.

I worked 3 man on Saturday morning double headers about 20 years ago for 4th/5th graders. On rare occasions we went out with a Line Ref and an Ump Judge.

I do not miss those days.

The pronoun is referring to the OHSAA, not to the Director of Officiating. So "its" is correct.

It also appears to be a quote, so it's correct to use any improper grammar within the quote, although it should be followed by [sic], of course.

I think this was a very good addition to what I think is a fantastic mechanics manual, which has improved over the years every single year. Sure, there are points here and there I disagree with, but it has been an enormous benefit in standardizing and improving mechanics across the board, especially in a state that had such different operating cultures before this (three large and different metro areas, another style in NW Ohio, a REALLY different style in the rural SE area, etc).

I'm filling in for a crew as LJ in week one in what was an open date for our regular crew. I'm normally a BJ but have done significant time at wing, so no big deal. With this, I just have to study the LJ mechanics and I don't have to worry about how this particular crew - whom I've never worked with - does pre-snap checks or how they signal or where to be, etc. I *know* because they use the same standard operating procedures. We can use our pre-game on other things instead of spending an hour on the basics. What some call 'micro-managing' I call having a standard, uniform procedure to create a platform for common understanding and continuous improvement. Just like when I was in the Army and we had detailed procedures just like this - I didn't have to wonder which pocket ammo vs med equipment was in on someone else, I knew because we specified it. I didn't have to tell the 1st tank driver he had the job of outpost watch when we came to a long stop, he knew and he knew what to do and what to take, etc.

Bigjohn, I don't know if you're in Ohio and conducting a passive-aggressive whining campaign or outside and just have a gold book fetish, but I find this 'drive-by' posting of what I think is an excellent article of tools and philosophies with a pejorative title and no specific criticisms to be kind of pathetic.

And by the way, if you noticed the footnote, most of the content in that article was borrowed - with permission - from Hawaii.

For 5-man, our state allows the R to be either on passing-arm side or wide side (his choice).

For 7-man, the R is always on passing-arm side.

I personally prefer wide side in 5-man, since that balances the field. And half the time it will be passing-arm side as well.

Because an "attempt" to punish may not actually result in the player punishing the opponent.

Considering the person involved, HIS is the correct pronoun.

asdf:

It is obvious that you do not officiate in Ohio because the OhioHSAA has also written its own Two-, Three-, and Four-Person Baseball Umpiring Mechanics Manual to replace the NFHS Baseball Umpiring Mechanics and the OhioHSAA Baseball Umpiring Mechanics Manual was not written by the OhioHSAA Director of Development for Baseball Umpiring but was a joint effort by a number of LUA Interpreters. The OhioHSAA Football Officiating Mechanics Manual was written in the same manner, so please to do not make statements that have no basis in fact.

MTD, Sr.

MTD,

First, Don't assume. It only makes one look silly.

Next, I know plenty about the Gold Book and how the Baseball manual came to be.

LUAs had little input on the baseball side and the impetus was the college faction stepping forward and endorsed by the DOD.