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In NFHS, if the QB is tackled by the facemask & goes to the ground, it's a running play & penalized from the end of the run. If he passes or fumbles, it's a loose ball play & is penalized from the previous spot. There's no logical reason for such a difference -- therefore, it's "gratuitous". |
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NFHS prefers consistency in it's handling of penalty enforcement, by establishing "basic spots", which are determined by action that occurs immediately prior, actually during, and after the down, as well as non-player fouls. "Gratuitous" seems largely a matter of personal perspective. |
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All-but-one applies to ALL fouls. All fouls are enforced from the basic spot with the exception of the "one" - fouls committed behind the basic spot by the team with the ball at the time of the foul. |
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"Enforcement philosophy is based on the fact that a team is given the advantage of the distance which is gained without assistance of a foul. It is assumed that the only foul which would give this aid is a foul by the offense behind the basic spot. Therefore, all fouls but this one, that is a foul by the offense behind the basic spot are penalized from the basic spot unless the spot is otherwise specified by rule. This one foul is penalized from the spot of the foul." This discussion started referencing a player (presumed to be an opponent/defensive player) tackling by the facemask. The concept of, "All-But-One" applies EXCLUSIVELY to Offensive fouls |
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The "BUT ONE" refers to offensive fouls behind the basic spot. |
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The book says exactly what Rich says that it does. All but one enforcement applies to all fouls. It's right there in the text you quoted. But by all means, don't just actually admit you might be wrong, continue to bluster on about it for paragraphs. |
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The original question related to defensive fouls behind the LOS being enforced either from the spot of the foul (NFHS), or the previous spot (NCAA). If you can force yourself to be honest, there is NOTHING WHATSOEVER about "All-But-One" that relates to Defensive fouls, other than they DON'T APPLY. This has nothing to do with "admitting anything wrong". If you want to argue the meaning of "ALL" (taken totally out of context) knock yourself out, but you'd be a lot more challenged by a language expert, or someone else who just might care, even a little bit. |
Methinks we can....
I've never seen someone be wrong and double down the way you do.
I'm amazed actually. I've taught all-but-one many times and it's clear that the phrase has to do with basic spots and does apply to defensive fouls as well. In college rules, it's referred to as 3-and-1. The 3 are offensive fouls beyond the basic spot, defensive fouls beyond the basic spot, and defensive fouls behind the basic spot. The one is offensive fouls behind the basic spot. The 3 have basic spot enforcement. The 1 is enforced from the spot of the foul. |
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Just so you know, the NCAA equivalent is the 3 and 1 principle and it's exactly the same as the all-but-one principle. The 3 refers to the number of types of fouls that are enforced from the basic spot. Fouls by the defense in front of the basic spot, behind the basic spot and fouls by the offense beyond the basic spot. It's exactly the same. Your arguing against it doesn't make it so. |
This one seems to have run its productive course.
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