Northside ISD investigating incident with official, Jay players (Video)

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by SC Official

Of course an alleged racial slur is the justification used. One problem: the assault is on video, the alleged slur is not. Another problem: being offended by something someone said isn't a license to attack that person.

I do not care what he said, there is a way to handle that situation. We had an official use a term in our area and players did not act that way, it was reported and then an investigation. And often those are he said, he said situations anyway unless someone independent can corroborate the information. But if you report the incident, then you might find out this official had a previous problem or incident. Heck if I did something like this every time someone said something directly offensive to me, I would be fighting every day. There is a process and kids need to know how to handle those situations, because I can guarantee to them this will not be the last time. And now they probably lost their playing careers over this silliness. If they haven't lost them, they should.

Peace

[SCalScoreKeeper]

This should be the quickest investigation in the history of the Northside ISD and UIL and should result in the immediate suspension from interscholastic competition of these players for whatever eligibility they have remaining.I will add to APG's legal research by adding the maximum sentence for a class B misdemeanor in Texas:
A.Up to 180 days in jail
B.Maximum $2000 fine
C.Both

Mike Pereira in a video is calling for cancellation of the entire team's season and if that's the route that is chosen good luck trying to defend it in court because inevitably some parent will sue saying why should my child suffer for the actions of these two? My questions is for all of you who work football would you officiate this team if no substantial action is taken against them by the state?
https://www.facebook.com/FOXSportsSo...94624/?fref=nf

[JRutledge]

I would have absolutely no problem with them canceling the entire season. The only problem is that would only apply if this was a coaching staff issue, meaning they instructed this or if other players than these two were involved. If it is only these two players, I am fine with them being removed from the team and even being expelled from school. But I think this is also why there is an investigation. I do not think the investigation is trying to figure out if these players are guilty of something. I think they are trying to figure out how high this went and if others should be held responsible. And it also might be an issue of liability, as if the coaches are involved, this has wider ramifications. I doubt seriously these kids are on the team anymore. But you do not want to announce everything until you have more evidence as to who and how this happen in total. Because the official even has a right to go after the school legally if he feels this was about the school and coaching staff. I am sure the school has lawyers that are advising them in this matter as well. I am going to wait and see what is announced before I start going crazy about what I think has happened.

Peace

[jTheUmp]

IF it's determined that the coaching staff had any knowledge that this was going to take place and/or told the players to do it... I would never work a game for those coaches ever again; at that school or at any other school.

Of course, right now there's no evidence that the coaches were involved (or not involved) directly or indirectly. So we'll have to see how the investigation plays out.

[HLin NC]

This story is hitting all the national outlets now. I've seen references on ESPN, local network news, and MSNBC just this morning.

[SC Official]

Originally Posted by jTheUmp

IF it's determined that the coaching staff had any knowledge that this was going to take place and/or told the players to do it... I would never work a game for those coaches ever again; at that school or at any other school.

Of course, right now there's no evidence that the coaches were involved (or not involved) directly or indirectly. So we'll have to see how the investigation plays out.

If the coaching staff had any involvement, not only should they be fired, but they should be charged with conspiracy to commit.

[Welpe]

Four players ejected in one game, including two for assaulting an official, there's no way I won't believe there's not a major coaching issue with that school.

I may be slightly heavy handed but if I were in charge around there, I'd be looking to clean house with a big broom.

[Robert Goodman]

No different than it'd be if a teacher had students slug a visiting district administrator in the hallway.

[chapmaja]

Originally Posted by SC Official

If the coaching staff had any involvement, not only should they be fired, but they should be charged with conspiracy to commit.

Completely agree.

[SCalScoreKeeper]

Rest assured that part of the law will be looked at by the state legislature.Regular assault is still a possibility-these kids cannot get off without some sort of criminal prosecution.If that were to happen that school would go on my block list for football immediately.

[jTheUmp]

Originally Posted by SCalScoreKeeper

Rest assured that part of the law will be looked at by the state legislature.Regular assault is still a possibility-these kids cannot get off without some sort of criminal prosecution.If that were to happen that school would go on my block list for football immediately.

I'm not sure I'd hold the school responsible if the DA decides not to press charges, it's not the school's fault in that situation.

If the school doesn't bar these two from any further athletic participation, however, then they'd go onto my block list for ALL sports, not just football. That would be a sign that the school administration doesn't support the officials hired to work their games.
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[chapmaja]

Originally Posted by SCalScoreKeeper

This should be the quickest investigation in the history of the Northside ISD and UIL and should result in the immediate suspension from interscholastic competition of these players for whatever eligibility they have remaining.I will add to APG's legal research by adding the maximum sentence for a class B misdemeanor in Texas:
A.Up to 180 days in jail
B.Maximum $2000 fine
C.Both

Mike Pereira in a video is calling for cancellation of the entire team's season and if that's the route that is chosen good luck trying to defend it in court because inevitably some parent will sue saying why should my child suffer for the actions of these two? My questions is for all of you who work football would you officiate this team if no substantial action is taken against them by the state?
https://www.facebook.com/FOXSportsSo...94624/?fref=nf

I disagree with cancelling the entire season. Even if the coaches told the players to go out and "make the ref pay". Cancelling the entire season does not just penalize the players involved (who should never play again), but also penalizes every single player on the team who was not involved in the acts, the coaches who were not involved, and the school community that was not involved. All of those involved both directly and indirectly should be suspended permanently from all participation in high school athletes.

There is one other group that gets penalized if the school is forced to cancel the season. Every single team who was supposed to play John Jay High School would be left without an opponent to play. That means one less opportunity to participate during the season because of nothing they did.