Backcourt violation?

River Ref

I have always understood that when on the court I am the same as the floor. But, now what if; I am inbounds near a side-line and a wild pass should hit me in the chest and deflect back onto the court. Had I not been there then the ball would clearly have gone OOB.I think I would have to go with an OOB. Correct? Would hate to see bouncing balls off of officials become part of plays. 😮

BryanV21

River Ref wrote
I have always understood that when on the court I am the same as the floor. But, now what if; I am inbounds near a side-line and a wild pass should hit me in the chest and deflect back onto the court. Had I not been there then the ball would clearly have gone OOB.I think I would have to go with an OOB. Correct? Would hate to see bouncing balls off of officials become part of plays. :eek:

I don't like it either, but that's the rule.

frezer11

River Ref wrote
I have always understood that when on the court I am the same as the floor. But, now what if; I am inbounds near a side-line and a wild pass should hit me in the chest and deflect back onto the court. Had I not been there then the ball would clearly have gone OOB.I think I would have to go with an OOB. Correct? Would hate to see bouncing balls off of officials become part of plays. :eek:

I've had a ball hit me in the chest or leg, effectively saving the ball, and at least one time, directly lead to a fast break at the other end. I didn't like it, but I didn't blow it dead either. Tough break for one team, lucky break for the other.

Nevadaref

BryanV21 wrote
The referee is treated no differently than the floor at that spot. And since the ball has to touch a player from team A in order to get FC status, then no violation.

Three lashes and back to the rules book for you, junior!

Rob1968

BillyMac wrote
4-4-2,3,4:

A ball which is in contact with a player or with the court is in the
frontcourt if neither the ball nor the player is touching the backcourt.

A ball which is in flight retains the same location as when it was last
in contact with a player or the court.

A ball which touches a player or an official is the same as the ball
touching the floor at that individual’s location.

Also:

The four elements for having a backcourt violation are: there must be team control (and initial player control
when coming from a throw-in); the ball must have achieved frontcourt status; the team in team control must
be the last to touch the ball before it goes into the backcourt; that same team must be the first to touch after
the ball has been in the backcourt.

So, if I'm in the backcourt, holding the ball, having not yet not yet starting a dribble, and I throw the ball into the frontcourt, and backspin the ball in such a way that it bounces in the frontcourt and comes back to me, while I'm still in the backcourt, and I catch it, that's legal? That smells "fishy" to me, and it's not just in the state of Denmark.

Billy, this seems to be the act of dribbling, and comes under the "3 points touching in the front court" exception.

Thoughts?

BillyMac

Rob1968 wrote
Billy, this seems to be the act of dribbling, and comes under the "3 points touching in the front court" exception. Thoughts?

It is certainly a dribble. Good point. Never mind.

BillyMac

BillyMac wrote
So, if I'm in the backcourt, holding the ball, having not yet not yet starting a dribble, and I throw the ball into the frontcourt, and backspin the ball in such a way that it bounces in the frontcourt and comes back to me, while I'm still in the backcourt, and I catch it, that's legal? That smells "fishy" to me, and it's not just in the state of Denmark.

Rob1968 wrote
Billy, this seems to be the act of dribbling, and comes under the "3 points touching in the front court" exception.

BillyMac wrote
It is certainly a dribble. Good point. Never mind.

I'll try again.

I'm in the backcourt, holding the ball, having already given up my dribble (not allowed to dribble again, three points across the division line are not relevant) and I pass the ball into the frontcourt, and backspin the ball in such a way that it bounces in the frontcourt and comes back to me, while I'm still in my backcourt, and the ball hits me in the leg. Legal? I don't think so.

Rob1968

BillyMac wrote
I'll try again.

I'm in the backcourt, holding the ball, having already given up my dribble (not allowed to dribble again, three points across the division line are not relevant) and I pass the ball into the frontcourt, and backspin the ball in such a way that it bounces in the frontcourt and comes back to me, while I'm still in the backcourt, and the ball hits me in the leg. Legal? I don't think so.

That seems to be illegal:

9-2 While in player and team control in its backcourt, a player shall not cause the ball to go from backcourt to frontcourt and return to backcourt, wothout the ball first touching a player in frontcourt, such that he/she or a teammate is the first to touch it in the backcourt.

Adam

BillyMac wrote
I'll try again.

I'm in the backcourt, holding the ball, having already given up my dribble (not allowed to dribble again, three points across the division line are not relevant) and I pass the ball into the frontcourt, and backspin the ball in such a way that it bounces in the frontcourt and comes back to me, while I'm still in my backcourt, and the ball hits me in the leg. Legal? I don't think so.

Either illegal dribble or backcourt violation.
Your choice.

Adam

I just moved all the off topic posts to a new thread. It veered just a little too far off topic, from backcourt violations to illegal dribbles.

luvhoops

I've actually had this play in a recreation league and no one liked it:

A1 stopped dribbling in BC right next to the division line on the far left. A2 was in the BC to the far right. A1 passed the ball across the court towards A2. The pass bounced once in the FC and A2, reaching slightly, caught the ball. Basically A1 and A2 were both in the BC but the pass between them bounced once in the FC. = Violation.

Raymond

luvhoops wrote
I've actually had this play in a recreation league and no one liked it:

A1 stopped dribbling in BC right next to the division line on the far left. A2 was in the BC to the far right. A1 passed the ball across the court towards A2. The pass bounced once in the FC and A2, reaching slightly, caught the ball. Basically A1 and A2 were both in the BC but the pass between them bounced once in the FC. = Violation.

Can we go with tableside and opposite table next time? 😉

luvhoops

BadNewsRef wrote
Can we go with tableside and opposite table next time? 😉

Yes, thanks for that, makes sense.

(For the record, when the play happened in the Rec League, the table was on the end of the court😉)

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