Best way to handle?

rockyroad

For some reason, saying "Help" is frowned on around here. Instead, we stop clock and say "Partner". Not sure I see much difference, but oh well.

Camron Rust

rockyroad wrote
For some reason, saying "Help" is frowned on around here. Instead, we stop clock and say "Partner". Not sure I see much difference, but oh well.

Haven't really heard that "Help" is frowned upon but I do say "Partner". I guess it may sound a little better...leaving less room for a coach to turn it against you.

rockyroad

Camron Rust wrote
Haven't really heard that "Help" is frowned upon but I do say "Partner". I guess it may sound a little better...leaving less room for a coach to turn it against you.

That's pretty much what we have been told...Coach can't say something stupid like "Why do you need help?". But they really can say that...kind of 6 of one, half a dozen of another.

refbater

Have always got together, takes the guesswork out of it

Raymond

refbater wrote
Have always got together, takes the guesswork out of it

How's that? If the calling official needs help, what is he contributing to the conversation?

JRutledge

I do not see why you need to "ask" for help loudly. If I am holding my hand up wiht no direction, my partners should know (or I would think they would know) I did not see the entire play. I guess that is regional, but often not needed around here. There are some that will say something, but looking at their partner does the trick.

Peace

Raymond

JRutledge wrote
I do not see why you need to "ask" for help loudly. If I am holding my hand up wiht no direction, my partners should know (or I would think they would know) I did not see the entire play. I guess that is regional, but often not needed around here. There are some that will say something, but looking at their partner does the trick.

Peace

In these parts, verbalizing "help" is expected. I once got reprimanded by a supervisor for not saying it loud enough so that everyone was aware I needed help.

Rich

If I'm asking for help, please don't give me an "I don't know" shrug.

PG_Ref

Per the NFHS officials manual ... 2.3.2. D. 3 (Two person)
When the ball goes out of bounds and the responsible official needs help, he/she should look in the direction of the other official. That official should be prepared to give assistance. If the responsible official asks for assistance, the other official should verbally and visually signal the appropriate call - the officials do not need to confer in this situation.

(Three person) 3.3.2. D. 4

When the ball goes out of bounds and the responsible official needs help, he/she should look in the direction of the nearer official or the official sharing that area of responsibility. That nearby official should be prepared to give assistance. If the responsible official asks for assistance, the nearby official should verbally and visually signal the appropriate call - the officials do not need to confer in this situation. On the other hand, if a non-responsible official has information regarding the out-of-bounds call, he/she may quickly approach the calling official to share the information and then leave the call to the responsible official.

Toren

If you are the one being asked for help, do you only verbalize and point?

As soon as I'm asked, I crack the whistle, then verbalize and point. Basically I'm taking the call once asked by my partner to take the call.

Anyone else?

bob jenkins

Toren wrote
If you are the one being asked for help, do you only verbalize and point?

As soon as I'm asked, I crack the whistle, then verbalize and point. Basically I'm taking the call once asked by my partner to take the call.

Anyone else?

It's not your call -- it's still your partner's call.

And, the ball is already dead and you're not reversing anything, so there's no need for a whistle.

So, just point and verbalize the color. The partner should then mimic that.

Toren

bob jenkins wrote
It's not your call -- it's still your partner's call.

And, the ball is already dead and you're not reversing anything, so there's no need for a whistle.

So, just point and verbalize the color. The partner should then mimic that.

So in cases where you are reversing something, you do crack your whistle?

In cases where I'm offering information, such as RA assistance, I don't crack whistle, I just come in and offer information. I let the calling official do all the work.

In cases where I have definite knowledge that someone else tipped the ball before it went OOB, I also don't crack whistle, I just run in and give information and let my partner either reverse or not.

However, the above mentioned play is the only time I do this.

That's interesting. Maybe I'm doing it backwards 😕

Raymond

Toren wrote
If you are the one being asked for help, do you only verbalize and point?

As soon as I'm asked, I crack the whistle, then verbalize and point. Basically I'm taking the call once asked by my partner to take the call.

Anyone else?

That's how I do it. Sometimes with, sometimes without the whistle.

Raymond

Toren wrote
So in cases where you are reversing something, you do crack your whistle?
...

When I get information from my partners, and I am reversing my own call, I do hit my whistle.

bob jenkins

Toren wrote
So in cases where you are reversing something, you do crack your whistle?

If I'm reversing my own call (based on input from other officials), then, yes, I blow my whistle.

I recognize that what I typed before was confusing.

Camron Rust

JRutledge wrote
I do not see why you need to "ask" for help loudly. If I am holding my hand up wiht no direction, my partners should know (or I would think they would know) I did not see the entire play. I guess that is regional, but often not needed around here. There are some that will say something, but looking at their partner does the trick.

Peace

Works well most of the time, but I've seen what looked like a silent ask for help that turned into a mess. The off official saw the partner pause and look at them (or so they thought) and gave a signal just as the responsible official gave a signal....an opposite direction. The calling official was just "processing" the play before making the decision....a little slow...and the other official took that as an ask for help.

Raymond

Camron Rust wrote
Works well most of the time, but I've seen what looked like a silent ask for help that turned into a mess. The off official say the partner pause and look at them (or so they thought) and gave a signal just as the responsible official gave a signal....an opposite direction. The calling official was just "processing" the play before making the decision....a little slow...and the other official took that as an ask for help.

Which is why I prefer a verbal "help".

JRutledge

Camron Rust wrote
Works well most of the time, but I've seen what looked like a silent ask for help that turned into a mess. The off official saw the partner pause and look at them (or so they thought) and gave a signal just as the responsible official gave a signal....an opposite direction. The calling official was just "processing" the play before making the decision....a little slow...and the other official took that as an ask for help.

I guess it depends on how you are taught. Around here everyone seems to know that if you have not signaled and looking toward your partner, you are asking for help. And verbally not everyone can hear you either.

Peace

jeremy341a

Here you hit you whistle and look at your partner. They then give you a discrete point one way or the other by using their index finger right in front of their midsection. Calling official then signals. Usually there is so little delay no one even knows you asked for help.

constable

If a partner looks to me for help either verbally or non if I have definite knowledge I blow my whistle and point as if it was my call all along.