Washington Stanford almost blarge vid request (Clip Added)

pfan1981

:42 left in first half. L rotated over, new T had a block, L was going to punch it the other way, but swallowed his whistle. I took some vid on my iPad but it's fairly horrendous.

Thanks,

Pfan

APG

bob jenkins

pfan1981 wrote
:42 left in first half. L rotated over, new T had a block, L was going to punch it the other way, but swallowed his whistle. I took some vid on my iPad but it's fairly horrendous.

Thanks,

Pfan

Did T have a block on the primary defender (who got beat) or on the secondary defender?

This may have been a close false double foul, as opposed to a typical blarge

PG_Ref

bob jenkins wrote
Did T have a block on the primary defender (who got beat) or on the secondary defender?

This may have been a close false double foul, as opposed to a typical blarge

That's what I was thinking. From the endline, looks like the lead was looking at a charge with the secondary defender.

APG

The foul was on number 23, the defender trying for the block shot. The trail has that foul before the block/charge contact.

bob jenkins

APG wrote
The foul was on number 23, the defender trying for the block shot. The trail has that foul before the block/charge contact.

Good job by the L in holding the signal -- get the first foul only (despite any case plays that tell how to adjudicate it)

APG

bob jenkins wrote
Good job by the L in holding the signal -- get the first foul only (despite any case plays that tell how to adjudicate it)

Agreed on both points.

Camron Rust

Agree....T's foul was on the primary D. L's foul would have been a charge with into the secondary D.

They called the first one.

Good job by the T to come in strong knowing the combination of things that occurred and that he L was most likely only getting the secondary D.

Rob1968

I really enjoy seeing a crew handle things in this manner. The potential for a mess was there, but they showed great control, and communication.

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I don't think this would be a blarge, even if the Lead signalled. They are calling two different actions. A blarge is two officials calling the same action differently. If the Lead does signal charge all Trail has to do is say "first foul" and move on. We can't see what Trail signals but I doubt he signalled anything at all, probably just posted with no preliminary.

APG

AremRed wrote
I don't think this would be a blarge, even if the Lead signalled. They are calling two different actions. A blarge is two officials calling the same action differently. If the Lead does signal charge all Trail has to do is say "first foul" and move on. We can't see what Trail signals but I doubt he signalled anything at all, probably just posted with no preliminary.

By rule, it'd be a false double foul. By practical application, get the first one (which the trail did in taking the call).

Raymond

APG wrote
By rule, it'd be a false double foul. By practical application, get the first one (which the trail did in taking the call).

It wouldn't be a false double foul, because A1's actions would not be flagrant or intentional.

Plus, you can't penalize A1 for being pushed into B2 by B1.

Adam

BadNewsRef wrote
It wouldn't be a false double foul, because A1's actions would not be flagrant or intentional.

Plus, you can't penalize A1 for being pushed into B2 by B1.

1. It could be a false double, the ball is still live since a shot was released.
2. I agree, though, don't punish the shooter for being pushed into an opponent by a different opponent.

APG

BadNewsRef wrote
It wouldn't be a false double foul, because A1's actions would not be flagrant or intentional.

Plus, you can't penalize A1 for being pushed into B2 by B1.

A1 was fouled by B2 in the act of shooting...ball is live...

Presuming the lead calls a charging foul like it appears he does, you would then have a foul on A1 for charging and thus by rule a false double.

Now as a matter of practical application, I wouldn't imagine calling a foul on A1 for being pushed/bumped into a defender. That I agree.

bob jenkins

AremRed wrote
A blarge is two officials calling the same action differently.

A blarge is most commonly used for fouls by / on the same players.

For a (by-the-rule) FED example of the play in the video, see 4.19.9

Camron Rust

APG wrote
A1 was fouled by B2 in the act of shooting...ball is live...

Presuming the lead calls a charging foul like it appears he does, you would then have a foul on A1 for charging and thus by rule a false double.

Now as a matter of practical application, I wouldn't imagine calling a foul on A1 for being pushed/bumped into a defender. That I agree.

Precisely!

Now, I don't really think A1 was pushed into B2 at all. A1 was going to collide with B2 in any case. Still, I would only call the 1st one.