Logo On Jersey

bob jenkins

A6 enters the game with (a) two mfg logos on the jersey or (b) one logo that is over-sized.

Ruling:?

j51969

When one of my Soldiers is not in the correct uniform I make them push along with there team leader/squad leader. So the coach along with the offenders owe me 50!😃

WhistlesAndStripes

bob jenkins wrote
A6 enters the game with (a) two mfg logos on the jersey or (b) one logo that is over-sized.

Ruling:?

NFHS:

A -- Technical FOul on the Head Coach
B -- Technical Foul on the Head Coach

Rule 3-4-2statea that Logos/Flags/patches shall adhere to the following:
a. A Visible manufactureer's logo/trademark/reference is permitted on the team jersey not to exceed 2 1/4 square inches with no dimension more than 2 1/4 inches. The manufacturer's logo may be located nor more than 5 inches below the shoulder seam on the from of the jersey, or 2 inches from the neckline on the back of the jersey; or in either side insert.

10-5-4 -- The head coach shall not permit a team member to participate while wearing an illegal uniform.

So it's a direct T on the HC. He loses coaching box privileges.

j51969

Whistles & Stripes wrote
NFHS:

A -- Technical FOul on the Head Coach
B -- Technical Foul on the Head Coach

Rule 3-4-2statea that Logos/Flags/patches shall adhere to the following:
a. A Visible manufactureer's logo/trademark/reference is permitted on the team jersey not to exceed 2 1/4 square inches with no dimension more than 2 1/4 inches. The manufacturer's logo may be located nor more than 5 inches below the shoulder seam on the from of the jersey, or 2 inches from the neckline on the back of the jersey; or in either side insert.

10-5-4 -- The head coach shall not permit a team member to participate while wearing an illegal uniform.

So it's a direct T on the HC. He loses coaching box privileges.

Are we assuming this is the only guy with the illegal unifom? Or did he get the T to start the game because everyone was illegal?

WhistlesAndStripes

j51969 wrote
+1

Are we assuming this is the only guy with the illegal unifom? Or did he get the T to start the game because everyone was illegal?

I was assuming he was the first to enter the game with an illegal jersey on, whether to start or later in the game. One t on the coach no matter how many illegal jerseys on the whole team.

bob jenkins

I agree with the two who have responded.

But, see 3.6.1, subpart (c)

PG_Ref

bob jenkins wrote
I agree with the two who have responded.

But, see 3.6.1, subpart (c)

Hmmm ... had not noticed this caseplay yet. Is it just me, or does it seem like an inconsistency with the application of the rule?

bob jenkins

PG_Ref wrote
Hmmm ... had not noticed this caseplay yet. Is it just me, or does it seem like an inconsistency with the application of the rule?

It's why I posted the play. As written, I think the case play is wrong.

OKREF

I'm not doing anything. I could absolutely care less about the logo. This nit I will never pick.

j51969

I do not have my book. Can someone please post the case play?

johnny d

OKREF wrote
I'm not doing anything. I could absolutely care less about the logo. This nit I will never pick.

Unfortunately the state where I work has a different view on this issue and does not assign or limits the number of playoff games of officials that refuse to enforce this useless rule.

PG_Ref

j51969 wrote
I do not have my book. Can someone please post the case play?

*3.6.1 SITUATION: A6 enters the game with an excessive manufacturer’s or school’s logo on his/her: (a) socks, (b) wristbands or (c) jersey. RULING: Legal in (a). In (b) and (c), A6 may not participate and is directed to return to the bench until legally equipped. COMMENT: The restriction on visible manufacturer’s or school’s logo size is in effect on jerseys, pants/skirts, compression shorts, wristbands and headbands. The shoes and socks are not considered part of the uniform for purpose of visible logo size.

David M

3.6.1 A6 enters the game with an excessive manufacturer's or school's logo on his/her (a) socks, (b) wristbands or (c) jersey. Ruling Legal in (a). In (b) and (c). A6 may not participate and is directed to return to the bench until legall equipped. COMMENT The restrictions on visible manufacturer's or school's logo size is in effect on jerseys, pants/skirts, compression shorts, wristbands and headbands. The shoes and socks are not considered part of the uniform for purpose of visible logo size.

I would think that if one uniform is illegal they all would be. Do you forfeit the game?

Raymond

David M wrote
3.6.1 A6 enters the game with an excessive manufacturer's or school's logo on his/her (a) socks, (b) wristbands or (c) jersey. Ruling Legal in (a). In (b) and (c). A6 may not participate and is directed to return to the bench until legall equipped. COMMENT The restrictions on visible manufacturer's or school's logo size is in effect on jerseys, pants/skirts, compression shorts, wristbands and headbands. The shoes and socks are not considered part of the uniform for purpose of visible logo size.

I would think that if one uniform is illegal they all would be. Do you forfeit the game?

By rule you should let them participate and give 1 direct T to the HC.

WhistlesAndStripes

BadNewsRef wrote
By rule you should let them participate and give 1 direct T to the HC.

That's what I'm doing. I have to be able to explain what I've done on the floor against the rule book, not the case book. I'm more than comfortable telling someone that the case book is wrong.

BillyMac

Whistles & Stripes wrote
I have to be able to explain what I've done on the floor against the rule book, not the case book. I'm more than comfortable telling someone that the case book is wrong.

I'm actually more comfortable telling a coach, or a fellow official, that the case book is the "bottom" line in regard to an interpretation. Casebook plays are much more "specific" then the generic rules in the rulebook.

WhistlesAndStripes

BillyMac wrote
I'm actually more comfortable telling a coach, or a fellow official, that the case book is the "bottom" line in regard to an interpretation. Casebook plays are much more "specific" then the generic rules in the rulebook.

This seems absolutely asinine to me. And I mean that in the nicest possible way.

BillyMac

Whistles & Stripes wrote
This seems absolutely asinine to me. And I mean that in the nicest possible way.

Casebook plays are usually about a very specific situation, with a very clear interpretation for that very specific situation. There are some casebook plays (going the wrong way after a jump ball) that have interpretations that one would not normally be able to came up with by simply applying the rule, and the penalty.

With the exception of a casebook plays that may have became out of date, that may not have kept up with rule changes due to an oversight by the editor, I'm going with the casebook interpretation almost every time.

JetMetFan

NOTE: THE "CLARIFICATION" IS BEING CLARIFIED!!!

From Peter Webb, IAABO Coordinator of Interpreters & Trainers:

"By rule, player A-6 simply can not participate/play while wearing excessive logos on jersey (3.5). Just as a player A-5 with a jersey not tucked into pants (3.3.5), can not participate/play and is directed to leave the game. THERE IS NO PENALTY - simply not allowed entry or directed to return to the bench. Until the excessive logos are removed or the jersey is worn properly, the team member can not return as a player.

Technical Foul would be the penalty for 3.2.2 c, d, e, & 10.1.2 Penalty
Technical Foul would be the penalty for illegal number 3.4 d

The Technical Foul penalty regarding uniforms primarily has to do with numbers and prior to the game. Additionally, a player wearing an illegal number is charged with a Technical Foul, but can play while wearing the number. A team member with excessive logos or over sized logos on jersey can not play.

I hope the above response is of help. I will make a note to bring the matter to the attention of the NFHS Rules Editor next spring. Some editing might help the clarity."

APG

The bit about a player being charged with a technical foul for an illegal number is wrong...it's a direct to the coach...just like any other infraction for an illegal jersey (save for this recent interpretation).