MD Longhorn jTheUmp wroteDead-ball PF on White #14 just after the touchdown.Absolutely. Hopefully in 3-man, ref is trailing and catches this.
Rich MD Longhorn wroteAbsolutely. Hopefully in 3-man, ref is trailing and catches this. Those of us who will work 3-man. Even our youth ball is 4 here. I've haven't worked 3-man in years.
JRutledge Rich wroteThose of us who will work 3-man. Even our youth ball is 4 here. I've haven't worked 3-man in years. Heck then 2 man would blow your mind. 😀 Well I have worked 3 man and not sure why this would not have been called. And the game at that level is so slow it should have jumped out at you from the Referee position for sure. Peace
Rich JRutledge wroteHeck then 2 man would blow your mind. 😀 Well I have worked 3 man and not sure why this would not have been called. And the game at that level is so slow it should have jumped out at you from the Referee position for sure. Peace It's an easy foul for the R. I find it sad that the wings couldn't keep up with kids that young, though.
OKREF The first penalty is when the right guard is in his three point stance, comes out of it and then returns. Not saying I would call it at this level.
bigjohn Any initiation of contact with the helmet is illegal; therefore, there must be a focus on enforcing the existing rules. This year, the committee is taking the step to emphasize all types of illegal helmet contact:
MD Longhorn John, if you're trying to insist that the contact in the video is a foul, you're wrong. Yes, it's an emphasis... but what you see in this video is not a foul.
asdf Clearly, the blow was delivered with the shoulder pad. Too bad the R on the crew decided to dress like the was working an AAU basketball game.
bigjohn I disagree but clearly officials don't want to call it. QB dropped his head and so did defender. blow it dead, make a statement, offsetting penalties, Whatever. Don't let that go. 😠The INITIAL CONTACT was with the helmet!
bigjohn BTW we had a varsity crew of 5 do a game dressed in same shorts last friday night, it got down in the 40s by 4th quarter.
JRutledge bigjohn wroteAny initiation of contact with the helmet is illegal; therefore, there must be a focus on enforcing the existing rules. This year, the committee is taking the step to emphasize all types of illegal helmet contact: This was a stiff arm and no it is not illegal to stiff arm someone in the head. And you will not find any such statement by the NF or the NCAA. He did not punch the defender, he used his arm to ward off a tackle. Nothing about the rules or POE has changed that fact. Peace
JRutledge asdf wroteClearly, the blow was delivered with the shoulder pad. Too bad the R on the crew decided to dress like the was working an AAU basketball game. Youth ball early in the season that is what a lot of people do. Hardly anyone wears pants in that situation until it gets cold or colder. Peace
Adam JRutledge wroteYouth ball early in the season that is what a lot of people do. Hardly anyone wears pants in that situation until it gets cold or colder. Peace This time of year, anything below HS varsity is done in shorts. Next month, when it gets a bit colder....
asdf bigjohn wroteBTW we had a varsity crew of 5 do a game dressed in same shorts last friday night, it got down in the 40s by 4th quarter. The two wings on this play are clearly wearing shorts designed to be worn by officials. The R is wearing baggy basketball shorts. The director of football officiating in Ohio loves shorts and allows them to be worn by varsity crews in August and September, regardless of how silly they look.
Adam bigjohn wroteI disagree but clearly officials don't want to call it. Whether officials want to call it is immaterial. If we did, we'd be out of work quickly because the coaches don't want that called.
asdf bigjohn wroteI disagree but clearly officials don't want to call it. QB dropped his head and so did defender. blow it dead, make a statement, offsetting penalties, Whatever. Don't let that go. 😠The INITIAL CONTACT was with the helmet! Once again your broad brush that you paint with has missed the mark. We've had 4 IHC's in 3 games so far this season. This isn't an example of one.
JRutledge Adam wroteWhether officials want to call it is immaterial. If we did, we'd be out of work quickly because the coaches don't want that called. Honestly at the HS level, it does not happened that often. Players are have been taught to not do these things. I cannot think of many times I have even seen a launch other then sometimes on a block. Then again, still rather rare. It has been called, but not every game or every other game. Usually a player misses. Peace
MD Longhorn bigjohn wroteI disagree but clearly officials don't want to call it. QB dropped his head and so did defender. blow it dead, make a statement, offsetting penalties, Whatever. Don't let that go. 😠The INITIAL CONTACT was with the helmet!I think most actual officials seeing this see the contact initially with the left shoulder and left arm. All helmet contact is not illegal. As often as you disagree with the actual officials on this site, you'd think you might eventually take the time to attend a clinic or three. I applaud you for being interested in this side of the equation, but if your only interest is being the antagonist and refusal to believe when you are told universally that you are wrong, perhaps your interest is not worth your own time.
CT1 Far be it from me to pile on, BigJohn, but you're 100% wrong. The stiff-arm is legal & the QB did not lower his head to deliver a blow or punish the defender with his helmet. Remember: Not all helmet-to-helmet contact is illegal.
bisonlj JRutledge wroteHonestly at the HS level, it does not happened that often. Players are have been taught to not do these things. I cannot think of many times I have even seen a launch other then sometimes on a block. Then again, still rather rare. It has been called, but not every game or every other game. Usually a player misses. Peace I agree. Most HS games I work don't see the type of targeting/launching seen at the college and NFL level. There is some, but it won't be as hard to get out of the HS game.