Over and back???

rockyroad

bauzer714 wrote
The rule book does say that no player control exists during a jump ball. The player may not have 'control' but the team does. A team has the control during a pass. I would argue a 'controlled tip' is absolutely a pass. Ball location in 4.4.2 puts the 'location' of the ball in the FC, then control tipped (passed) to a teammate in the BC. Thus, O&B.

If there is no control to start with, how in the world can there suddenly be team control without there ever being any player control?? And to establish player control, there are very definite requirements...and tipping the ball does not meet those requirements.

BillyMac

bauzer714 wrote
I would argue a 'controlled tip' is absolutely a pass.

During the controlled tip would you grant a request for a timeout? Whether player control exists during a controlled tip, or not, is a judgment call, and that's why we get paid the big bucks, at least here in the Constitution State.

Nevadaref

deecee wrote
The only time I would try and gather intent was if I was debating between intentional flagrant foul and a simple intentional foul.

Sigh, which does not exist, but don't let that stop you from giving advice.

Nevadaref

bauzer714 wrote
The rule book does say that no player control exists during a jump ball. The player may not have 'control' but the team does. A team has the control during a pass. I would argue a 'controlled tip' is absolutely a pass. Ball location in 4.4.2 puts the 'location' of the ball in the FC, then control tipped (passed) to a teammate in the BC. Thus, O&B.

You could argue that all you want and you would still be incorrect.
No backcourt violation is possible until a player, who is inbounds, either holds or dribbles the ball. There is nothing else to this.

bauzer714

Good points were definitely made here. I think you guys are right. I do stand corrected, this is not o&b.

deecee

Typed to fast - flagrant v. intentional. But that won't stop one member from being a nitpicking twit.

rockyroad

deecee wrote
Typed to fast - flagrant v. intentional. But that won't stop one member from being a nitpicking twit.

Interestingly enough, those nitpicking twits are usually the ones that get things handled properly when the sh!t hits the fan in a game.

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