IAABO's not-so-Fab Five

JetMetFan

Here are the five questions most missed on the IAABO exam last November.

*A-1’s throw-in is deflected into the backcourt by A-2, who is in the frontcourt. A-1 is the first to touch the ball in the backcourt. The official rules a legal play. Is the official correct?

*Prior to the game, team A is assessed a technical foul. While the ball is at the disposal of the free thrower B-1, the official has the scorer set the possession arrow toward team A’s basket. Is the official correct?

*B-1 rebounds a missed try at A’s basket and passes the ball to a teammate near the division line. A-1 jumps from his/her frontcourt and secures control while both feet are off the floor. A-1 lands in the backcourt. The official rules a legal play. Is the official correct?

*A-1 commits his/her fifth foul and is disqualified. Prior to A-1 being replaced, team A requests a timeout. The official denies the request. Is the official correct?

*Jumper A-1 taps the ball which hits the floor and jumper A-1 catches it. The official rules this a legal play. Is the official correct?

bob jenkins

I can see #2 being missed -- it doesn't happen often and can be confusing, and when it does happen *most of the time* it doesn't matter.

I had #5 happen to me earlier this year except a partner ruled it an illegal play.

ballgame99

No answers? I'm assuming these were the most missed questions for a reason; the answer must not be what most of us think it is.

JetMetFan

ballgame99 wrote
No answers? I'm assuming these were the most missed questions for a reason; the answer must not be what most of us think it is.

I'll put them up overnight. I figured, competent group that we are, that folks would just give their answers. 😉

Camron Rust

ballgame99 wrote
No answers? I'm assuming these were the most missed questions for a reason; the answer must not be what most of us think it is.

None of them are really that hard. I was waiting for others to comment but since it has been pretty quiet...

JetMetFan wrote
Here are the five questions most missed on the IAABO exam last November.

*A-1’s throw-in is deflected into the backcourt by A-2, who is in the frontcourt. A-1 is the first to touch the ball in the backcourt. The official rules a legal play. Is the official correct?

Correct. A backcourt violation is not possible until after there is team control inbounds. A2's deflection does not establish team control.

JetMetFan wrote
*Prior to the game, team A is assessed a technical foul. While the ball is at the disposal of the free thrower B-1, the official has the scorer set the possession arrow toward team A’s basket. Is the official correct?

Incorrect...the arrow is set at the FT only for a common foul. For non-common fouls, it is set when the subsequent throwin is administered.

JetMetFan wrote
*B-1 rebounds a missed try at A’s basket and passes the ball to a teammate near the division line. A-1 jumps from his/her frontcourt and secures control while both feet are off the floor. A-1 lands in the backcourt. The official rules a legal play. Is the official correct?

Legal. A1 gained team control of a ball that was in control of team B while in the air. A1 gets to land normally with one or both feet in the backcourt and it doesn't matter where the first foot down lands.

JetMetFan wrote
*A-1 commits his/her fifth foul and is disqualified. Prior to A-1 being replaced, team A requests a timeout. The official denies the request. Is the official correct?

Correct...the game can not proceed until a DQ'd player is replaced.

JetMetFan wrote
*Jumper A-1 taps the ball which hits the floor and jumper A-1 catches it. The official rules this a legal play. Is the official correct?

Correct. The jump ball and the jump ball restrictions end when the ball touches the floor (or a non jumper). At that point, any player can catch the ball.

APG

ballgame99 wrote
No answers? I'm assuming these were the most missed questions for a reason; the answer must not be what most of us think it is.

Why don't you try answering them, and giving your justification, and we can tell you if you're wrong or right (or in retrospect, just read Camron's answers).

I didn't answer the questions, because I have no doubt as to what the right answers are.

Nevadaref

JetMetFan wrote
Here are the five questions most missed on the IAABO exam last November.

*A-1’s throw-in is deflected into the backcourt by A-2, who is in the frontcourt. A-1 is the first to touch the ball in the backcourt. The official rules a legal play. Is the official correct?
(Yes, no control was established by an inbounds player.)
*Prior to the game, team A is assessed a technical foul. While the ball is at the disposal of the free thrower B-1, the official has the scorer set the possession arrow toward team A’s basket. Is the official correct?
(No, for a non-common foul the arrow isn't set until the ball is placed at the disposal of the thrower on the ensuing throw-in.)
*B-1 rebounds a missed try at A’s basket and passes the ball to a teammate near the division line. A-1 jumps from his/her frontcourt and secures control while both feet are off the floor. A-1 lands in the backcourt. The official rules a legal play. Is the official correct?
(Yes, defensive player exception.)
*A-1 commits his/her fifth foul and is disqualified. Prior to A-1 being replaced, team A requests a timeout. The official denies the request. Is the official correct?
(Yes, no time-out shall be granted until the DQ'd player is replaced.)
*Jumper A-1 taps the ball which hits the floor and jumper A-1 catches it. The official rules this a legal play. Is the official correct?
(Yes, the jump ball ends when the ball strikes the floor, so a jumper may then grab it.)

All of these questions seem fine to me.

JetMetFan

Nevadaref wrote
All of these questions seem fine to me.

When I saw the list I was really surprised these were the top five. As was said earlier #2 doesn't happen too often so I can see some confusion and #5 can surprise us when it happens. The others tend to come up fairly often.

HawkeyeCubP

I know the rule for #2, but why is that logical versus the ruling for the same with a common foul?

ODog

HawkeyeCubP wrote
I know the rule for #2, but why is that logical versus the ruling for the same with a common foul?

Because with the common foul, play will be resumed by the FTs.

With any other kind of foul, play will be resumed with a throw-in after the FTs, so you therefore wait to make sure nothing else hinky happens before you reach that point.

VaTerp

JetMetFan wrote
When I saw the list I was really surprised these were the top five. As was said earlier #2 doesn't happen too often so I can see some confusion and #5 can surprise us when it happens. The others tend to come up fairly often.

I will admit I kicked this LAST night.

😠

ballgame99

#2 and #4, are both in the "what difference does it make" category for me. If this was done incorrectly during the game would it matter at all? Not that I can tell.

#3 is an odd one, because isn't a player considered to be where he last touched the floor? So if you jump from OOB catch the ball in the air and "save" it, that is OOB. My answer to #3 was that this would be a back court violation since A1 had not established himself in the back court yet.

#1 has been discussed in the forum a lot, I got that one right. #5 is one of those that I thought was OK, but wasn't 100% sure of the rule, so I'm glad it has been discussed.

bob jenkins

ballgame99 wrote
#2 and #4, are both in the "what difference does it make" category for me. If this was done incorrectly during the game would it matter at all? Not that I can tell.

#3 is an odd one, because isn't a player considered to be where he last touched the floor? So if you jump from OOB catch the ball in the air and "save" it, that is OOB. My answer to #3 was that this would be a back court violation since A1 had not established himself in the back court yet.

#1 has been discussed in the forum a lot, I got that one right. #5 is one of those that I thought was OK, but wasn't 100% sure of the rule, so I'm glad it has been discussed.

#2 -- I agree, as long as the official KNOW that the arrow was set too early and re-set it if something else happens.

#3 -- defensive player exception to the BC rule

#4 -- I think you need to get this one right so the other team knows who is in the game during the TO.

Raymond

ballgame99 wrote
#2 and #4, are both in the "what difference does it make" category for me. If this was done incorrectly during the game would it matter at all? Not that I can tell.

#3 is an odd one, because isn't a player considered to be where he last touched the floor? So if you jump from OOB catch the ball in the air and "save" it, that is OOB. My answer to #3 was that this would be a back court violation since A1 had not established himself in the back court yet.

#1 has been discussed in the forum a lot, I got that one right. #5 is one of those that I thought was OK, but wasn't 100% sure of the rule, so I'm glad it has been discussed.

#2 makes a difference if a player on Team B commits a Technical Foul prior to the throw-in.

#4 makes a difference b/c you need a sub before any subsequent action can take place.

#3 is not a problem for anybody who studies the rules.

#1 is something any 1st year official should know.

#5 I called this a violation once a long time ago (and nobody said anything) but I went to check the rule on my own to make sure I got it right and found out I got it wrong.

Adam

I've had to correct two partners on #5 this year.

MD Longhorn

BadNewsRef wrote
#2 makes a difference if a player on Team B commits a Technical Foul prior to the throw-in.

If I corrected this statement to read - if either team commits any kind of foul before the throw in --- would I be wrong?

bob jenkins

MD Longhorn wrote
If I corrected this statement to read - if either team commits any kind of foul before the throw in --- would I be wrong?

Assuming you mean before the throw-in STARTS, you would still be correct.

I don't think there could be a common foul in this situation (at least not in practice), so it would be an IP or a FP or a T

Sharpshooternes

MD Longhorn wrote
If I corrected this statement to read - if either team commits any kind of foul before the throw in --- would I be wrong?

Are you talking before the throw in starts or ends?. Like Bob said, you have two different scenarios.

First
*Prior to the game, team A is assessed a technical foul. While the ball is at the disposal of the free thrower B-1, B2 commits an unsporting act against A2. This is a false multiple technical foul. B would shoot both FT's lane cleared, A would shoot both FT's lane cleared then get the ball OOB at division line opposite. The arrow is then set toward B's basket.

Another: TF to start the game against A. B shoots and then has ball at disposal for throw in but before the throw in ends, if either team fouls at this point the possession arrow stays with B. Is that what you were getting at? 6-4-5

MD Longhorn

Guess I should have been more specific - yes, I meant before it starts.