balk vs illegal pitch [FED]

Rich

bluehair wrote
The 17" KZ, the rectangular prism KZ, F1 needs to take his signs from the rubber, uniform anomolies, and any other rule that requires suspension because rooster crowing threatens, baseball etiquette dictates, or ugliness demands.

I always thought that including the no-pitch as an illegal pitch was an unintended over-sight because I've never seen it called and had been told to leave it alone. Re-calculating.

Don't forget retouching after a foul ball.

DG

Rich wrote
It's a worn out phrase, Ozzy. Local practice dictates crap like this -- I'm not going to be the only umpire in the area to call this when all the rest call it "no pitch."

Ditto around here. I know no one who has called a ball, and no coaches who have complained.

David B

Rich wrote
Don't forget retouching after a foul ball.

Yep from me. I haven't seen this called in one of my games of many years - haven't seen it called in any games that i've watched.

Never heard a coach ask for a call on this type of play... so we just play on.

Might be different in other areas of country.

Thanks
David

bob jenkins

David B wrote
Yep from me. I haven't seen this called in one of my games of many years - haven't seen it called in any games that i've watched.

Never heard a coach ask for a call on this type of play... so we just play on.

Might be different in other areas of country.

Thanks
David

there's no call to make.

PeteBooth

David Emerling wrote
We just had the mandatory state meeting the other night. The big wig who usually makes the presentation, at one point, gave an example of a pitcher stumbling while making his delivery (with no runners on base) and not delivering the ball. He said, "That's nothin'!"

Most agreed and nodded. In fact, I've seen that many times and I have never made any call. Nobody ever complains.

But then a discussion arose that, in FED (unlike OBR), any pitching infraction that would have normally been ruled a balk had there been runners on base, should be penalized as a "ball".

IMO, the "key ingeredient" in rules such as the one you mention lies within the association you belong to. In other words if the "big wig" says "that's nothin" then "it's nothin".

You want to be conistent with these types of rules. You do not want one crew calling it a balk and another crew says "it's nothin"

This is similar to the no shoulder turn (check a runner) that at one time was a balk in FED. In some associations this was ignored completely meaning they went with the OBR interp.

I believe SC still uses the old appeal rule meaning there is not any appeal the umpires call the infraction.

In summary, if your association says "it's nothin" then call it that way.

Pete Booth

lawump

PeteBooth wrote

I believe SC still uses the old appeal rule meaning there is not any appeal the umpires call the infraction.

Yup...despite all of the lobbying I (and other umpires) have done with the SC High School League.

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