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Brad

JRutledge wrote
Not my position. Someone needs to get this, just get it right.

Peace

So...

Right call >>> No call >>> Wrong call

I mean, that IS the preference, isn't it? I mean, of course if the L gets it right there is no issue! 🙂

JRutledge

Brad wrote
So...

Right call >>> No call >>> Wrong call

I mean, that IS the preference, isn't it? I mean, of course if the L gets it right there is no issue! 🙂

Again you call it the way you want, but not what I have ever been told by anyone and not that way in transition. This is not the typical play where we have primary coverage and the C is often further away from the lane or their normal position. And I have always been told that if bodies are on the floor we better know how they got there. This contact has to be called no matter where the contact came from.

Peace

JetMetFan

BktBallRef wrote
9x out of 10 when I see the L reach across the lane like this, he misses the call.

Amen.

JRutledge wrote
This is not the typical play where we have primary coverage.

Actually, based on what I posted earlier from the NFHS Officials' Manual, it is. This wasn't a quick turn off of a steal. It was a run-of-the-mill transition play and based on where contact took place it was the C's call to make since it was on his side of the floor.

JRutledge wrote
That is why I say this is transition, there are times you have to help each other out.

Yes, there are times you have to help your partner out in transition or not but you at least have to give your partner a chance to make the call. The L didn't give his partner a chance in this case.

Toren wrote
However, it could have been that the defender leaned his upper torso into the pathway of the offensive player and we can't see that from this angle.

I would argue that we can see something like this better from the camera angle than the L can from behind the defender. That's why the C is supposed to take plays like this that originate on their side of the floor. They can see a lean-in, if there is one. The only other person who would be able to see it properly would be the T.

johnny d

i still disagree. as the lead, i am giving the c a chance to make this call, if he doesnt i am making my call. sure there is a chance i will get i wrong, just like there is a chance i will get some of the other calls i make that night wrong as well. does it suck when we get the call wrong as is clearly the case here, it sure does, but if the coach or assignor or evaluator asks me about the play i can tell him, as i am sure the l in this play thought, i had the defender sliding in after the player went airborne. how are you going to justify not having a call on a violent collision like this at the basket if asked.......it wasnt my primary coverage area so i passed. i think that is a much weaker position than stating why you called the play a particular play and then admitting/accepting you got it wrong if it turns out that way.

JRutledge

johnny d wrote
i still disagree. as the lead, i am giving the c a chance to make this call, if he doesnt i am making my call. sure there is a chance i will get i wrong, just like there is a chance i will get some of the other calls i make that night wrong as well. does it suck when we get the call wrong as is clearly the case here, it sure does, but if the coach or assignor or evaluator asks me about the play i can tell him, as i am sure the l in this play thought, i had the defender sliding in after the player went airborne. how are you going to justify not having a call on a violent collision like this at the basket if asked.......it wasnt my primary coverage area so i passed. i think that is a much weaker position than stating why you called the play a particular play and then admitting/accepting you got it wrong if it turns out that way.

Even in situations where we have been asked to not call across the lane, they do not want a no call for sure. The complaint is that the lead does not rotate, not that they simply miss the call. And "It wasn't my primary" is usually not going to go over well with the people I work for either. And again, this is transition, the Lead just got to the end line.

Peace

johnny d

i think you and i agree on this jrut, i am saying there has to be a call on this play and if it has to come from the lead so be it. no way this play can be justified as marginal or incidental contact, and no way can lead claim he didnt have a look at the contact.

johnny d

and since we both work for many of the same assignors at hs and college level it isnt suprising that we would be in agreement.

JRutledge

johnny d wrote
and since we both work for many of the same assignors at hs and college level it isnt suprising that we would be in agreement.

True.

Peace

tomegun

I think it is a transition play, but I think the L could have a cadence whistle on this play. The signal is telling me that the L wasn't really sure of this call.

I still think this is just a case of using bad play-calling mechanics. I agree with Rut when saying we have to know how players get to the floor and this is not a play where a no call is the right call.

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