OKREF rockyroad wroteDon't have my books in front of me at work to give a quote, but there is a note in the rules book that says something to the effect of fouling at the end of a game is a legitimate tactic, and that a coach instructing his players to foul is not grounds for calling an IF... Not sure where you got the idea for calling a T on the coach for that... 4-19-3 Comment: Fouling near the end of a game is an acceptable coaching and playing strategy. Officals must determine if a foul is intentional by judging the fouling act itself, not whether or not the coach instructed a player to perform the act.
Adam Several years ago the NFHS issued a (thankfully) short lived interpretation that made this an IF for the reason stated by the official. This official needs to be more current. And no, not all fouls at the end of the game are IF "by the book."
rekent rockyroad wroteThat's the one...thanks! Love the iOS app's search function, no more thumbing through pages and quick answers always on hand!
Nevadaref Adam wroteSeveral years ago the NFHS issued a (thankfully) short lived interpretation that made this an IF for the reason stated by the official. This official needs to be more current. And no, not all fouls at the end of the game are IF "by the book." Correct. That interp lasted for one season only. The current instruction is to judge the foul based upon the action, not what the coach is yelling.
OKREF rekent wroteLove the iOS app's search function, no more thumbing through pages and quick answers always on hand! I know. I was typing mine at the same time you were.
stripes2255 rockyroad wroteDon't have my books in front of me at work to give a quote, but there is a note in the rules book that says something to the effect of fouling at the end of a game is a legitimate tactic, and that a coach instructing his players to foul is not grounds for calling an IF... Not sure where you got the idea for calling a T on the coach for that... Not sure where I got this from either. Some conversation in the past that my memory only slightly recalls.
stripes2255 johnny d wrotereferee calling an IF here is going to have a short career working nothing but lower level games. Sad for me to say that the official in question here is a varsity level official for approximately 10+ years.
Nevadaref stripes2255 wroteNot sure where I got this from either. Some conversation in the past that my memory only slightly recalls. It has been published by the NFHS in a POE.
bainsey What never made sense to me is, if you're going to foul, why not go for the ball? Isn't a steal better than putting your opponent on the line?
rockyroad Nevadaref wroteIt has been published by the NFHS in a POE. When was that? I honestly do not remember the NFHS ever publishing something that said a coach yelling "Foul! Foul!" was to be issued an unsporting T...
rekent rockyroad wroteWhen was that? I honestly do not remember the NFHS ever publishing something that said a coach yelling "Foul! Foul!" was to be issued an unsporting T... While not presuming to be a mindreader, I think he may have been referring to this year's POE (#10) about intentionals late in games. Some of that POE on intentionals seems a little... wacky? for lack of a better word.
DLH17 OKREF wroteAren't all fouls at the end of a game when a team is trying to foul to stop the clock, by the book intentional fouls? Common sense must prevail here. Yes they are fouling on purpose, but as long as they make a play on the ball and the contact is excessive, I am calling a common foul. 😮
OKREF OKREF wroteAren't all fouls at the end of a game when a team is trying to foul to stop the clock, by the book intentional fouls? Common sense must prevail here. Yes they are fouling on purpose, but as long as they make a play on the ball and the contact is excessive, I am calling a common foul. DLH17 wrote:eek: Typo...isn't
BillyMac stripes2255 wroteUnderstanding that the coach should have some other "safe" word for this action ... Previous to the inclusion of 4.19.3 Sit D in the casebook, most smart coaches did use some type of code word that would instruct their players to "intentionally unintentionally" foul opponents, but would prevent the "real" intentional foul penalty of two shots and the ball.
just another ref MD Longhorn wroteThere is a difference between an intentional foul and an Intentional Foul. True. I would like to see a name change for this particular infraction.
26 Year Gap just another ref wroteTrue. I would like to see a name change for this particular infraction. How about "intentional intentional foul?"
JugglingReferee 26 Year Gap wroteHow about "intentional intentional foul?" bob jenkins wrotePart of the reason NCAA went to F1 / F2 Maybe the Fed should adopt the I1 / I2.
Adam JugglingReferee wroteMaybe the Fed should adopt the I1 / I2. It's a semantics issue. I don't think it would help.