Joey Crawford....I think he called a block

twocentsworth

Greatest. Incorrect. Call. Ever!

Welpe

APG wrote
Fist on hips for a block? You won't find me donig it any other way (save for the theatrics shown here). The "by the book way" IMO is a weak signal (that and the PC signal).

I don't disagree but we will get chastised here for not doing it by the book.

APG

Welpe wrote
I don't disagree but we will get chastised here for not doing it by the book.

Honestly, I've never ever had anyone get on me for not doing this by the book. And if I was, it's probably a hit I'd be willing to take. Then again, I can count on one hand the amount of people that call this by the book (as far as a block goes...still see the PC mechanic all the time). Hell, the only person I can think of that does it "by the book" regularly is Dick Bervetta.

Welpe

When I say "here" I'm not talking about all of Houston but my chapter in particular. The greater area is probably too big for anybody to care once you break into varsity.

HawkeyeCubP

APG wrote
The only thing I can think of is that there's something from the endline that we can't see from this angle. Otherwise I'm not sure how this can be anything but a charge. I'll have to take a look at it later today and see if they showed another angle and try to put it up.

APG - Didn't you say (maybe last season) that the League has different rules regarding block/charges like this - specifically related to the gather that begins the trying motion, or something? Or am I making that up? Like that the defender had to be at the spot not just before the shooter left the ground, but before they gather for the try? If that was the case, I could see why a block per a rule like that.

APG

HawkeyeCubP wrote
APG - Didn't you say (maybe last season) that the League has different rules regarding block/charges like this - specifically related to the gather that begins the trying motion, or something? Or am I making that up? Like that the defender had to be at the spot not just before the shooter left the ground, but before they gather for the try? If that was the case, I could see why a block per a rule like that.

Funny you ask as I just mentioned this in another thread. 😉

A defender establish his position before the offensive player starts his upward motion with the ball to shoot or pass.

HawkeyeCubP

APG wrote
Funny you ask as I just mentioned this in another thread. 😉

A defender must get a legal position before the offensive player starts his upward motion with the ball to shoot or pass.

Totally just saw that, and was about to answer my own question with your qoute from that thread.😉 Thanks.

SNIPERBBB

JRutledge wrote
I hear that opinion a lot, and then no one hardly says a word when done on a call. Like others said I would do the same as Joey other than the running half way up the court or the frequency, but the fist part would be done the exact same. I do not have the time to fix my hands in a way where they can be open and touch my hips.

Peace

To clarify...they don't like the repeated banging of the hips and general hot dogging on the call. One of the states pet peeves.

APG

Just want to state that this isn't par for any signaling in the NBA or Joe Crawford

drofficial

And we all agree that he O player traveled at the beginning of the move to the basket. Left foot is pivot foot, clealy picks up left foot before releasing ball to start dribble. Travel. Then he charged. This is a perfect example where if the travel rule were officiated as written, we could prevent a lot of other crap--in this case, a terrible block call.

APG

drofficial wrote
And we all agree that he O player traveled at the beginning of the move to the basket. Left foot is pivot foot, clealy picks up left foot before releasing ball to start dribble. Travel. Then he charged. This is a perfect example where if the travel rule were officiated as written, we could prevent a lot of other crap--in this case, a terrible block call.

You identified the wrong foot as the pivot foot. The right foot was the pivot foot in this play per NBA rules, and a case can be made (not that I'd judge it this way) that per NCAA/NF rules, the player didn't have a pivot foot (if you determined he gathered the ball with a foot on the floor).

Raymond

APG wrote
Fist on hips for a block? You won't find me donig it any other way (save for the theatrics shown here). The "by the book way" IMO is a weak signal (that and the PC signal).

I had a supervisor tell me that the 'open-hand to waist' block signal for a man of my size looked very.....un-masculine (to keep things PC).

Raymond

drofficial wrote
And we all agree that he O player traveled at the beginning of the move to the basket. Left foot is pivot foot, clealy picks up left foot before releasing ball to start dribble. Travel. Then he charged. This is a perfect example where if the travel rule were officiated as written, we could prevent a lot of other crap--in this case, a terrible block call.

Could be so kind as to tell us how the travelling rules are written for the NBA?

APG

Here's the play with slow motion at the end and an extra camera angle shown (the only other one they broadcasted):

rekent

APG wrote
You identified the wrong foot as the pivot foot. The right foot was the pivot foot in this play per NBA rules, and a case can be made (not that I'd judge it this way) that per NCAA/NF rules, the player didn't have a pivot foot (if you determined he gathered the ball with a foot on the floor).

Thank you, was just thinking the same thing.

And wasn't this horse beaten to death and beyond in the other thread?

MD Longhorn

drofficial wrote
And we all agree that he O player traveled at the beginning of the move to the basket. Left foot is pivot foot, clealy picks up left foot before releasing ball to start dribble. Travel. Then he charged. This is a perfect example where if the travel rule were officiated as written, we could prevent a lot of other crap--in this case, a terrible block call.

Not in the NBA. Methinks you should reread the travel rule.

Raymond

APG wrote
You identified the wrong foot as the pivot foot. The right foot was the pivot foot in this play per NBA rules, and a case can be made (not that I'd judge it this way) that per NCAA/NF rules, the player didn't have a pivot foot (if you determined he gathered the ball with a foot on the floor).

He did the scissor-step before dribbling so I would have a travel in my games.

APG

BadNewsRef wrote
He did the scissor-step before dribbling so I would have a travel in my games.

Not necessarily saying it wasn't a travel...just that per NBA rules, he identified the wrong foot as the pivot.

tomegun

SNIPERBBB wrote
To clarify...they don't like the repeated banging of the hips and general hot dogging on the call. One of the states pet peeves.

To be blunt...

I have officiated in three parts of the country - I have belonged to 5 high school associations due to military assignments. From my collective experience, when someone is worried about this - with all the other stuff we have to worry about in high school basketball - they normally suck at officiating.

SNIPERBBB

tomegun wrote
To be blunt...

I have officiated in three parts of the country - I have belonged to 5 high school associations due to military assignments. From my collective experience, when someone is worried about this - with all the other stuff we have to worry about in high school basketball - they normally suck at officiating.

Tell that to our commissioners that got poed watching this antic at at the state finals a few years ago and was brought up explicitly at the next state meeting.

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